Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia**[W:808]**

[Geoist]

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LOL! I've never defended the driver.

You blamed the victims, that is defending the driver.

I grew up in abject poverty.

You grew up in inner city poverty?

 

[Hawkeye10]

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That's a really offensive position. They didn't ask to be victims of a terror attack, a crazy person driving a car into a crowd of people. What kind of bull**** is this? Do you have evidence those severely injured or killed were involved in ANY violence against anyone? Let's see the names of the person dead, those in critical condition, and otherwise injured by the terrorist, and evidence of their violent acts.

No, what they asked for is for those who dont agree with them to understand how sub human they are.

Which is really really bad.

But they are too ignorant to know.

 

[Geoist]

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I don't know why they are so offended by the term. There is no shame in being a traitor if you think your cause is just. The Founding Fathers were traitors and I am glad they were.

Bingo.

 

[Geoist]

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Yes, I am aware which is why I said there were some aspects I dislike. While I don't like mixing politics and religion the one aspect I do like about the Religious Right is they are strong on Pro-life. Judging from his comments on drugs, Cruz seems to be fairly balanced in that even though he is against it, he is open to states deciding it on their own.

The reason I say Cruz would have an easier time is due to I believe he would be more willing to budge on somethings in order to push stuff through while I believe Paul would likely always take the stance that any cut or deregulation would not be enough and cause bills to stall (see: AHCA, in this case thank goodness though). Don't get me wrong, this is something I greatly admire and respect about Paul, only I realize that doing so limits what you could potentially get done.

Fair enough. Personally, I believe Paul would have adapted. Much easier to stick to a strict ideology when you are a senator representing a single state.

 

[dobieg]

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So you are making it up. Thank you.

My family fought Nazis, fascists, and Japanese militarists, and we and our friends will fight the Alt Right again as we did in the fifties and sixties.

Those days will not be tolerated again, and if the LEO does not put down the violence of the Alt Right, their neighbors will.

I am white, and I certainly feel I am protected by the law.

That's ok, my family also fought Nazis, fascists, and Japanese militarists and we and our friends will continue fighting the looney Left every step of the way.

 

[JasperL]

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That is, in part, why southerners in general feel so damned marginalized. Because nobody bothers to learn. In the south, at least when I grew up, we were taught alot about the Civil War. Nobody apologized or made excuses for slavery, but we analyzed it better than "The south was EEVIL, that is all thou needs knowest!" level as well.

I grew up in East Tennessee which was more or less split during the civil war. We didn't have many slaves here because the land didn't support having them. But in my experience (graduated HS in 1981) I learned very little about the Civil War other than the battles etc. What happened in the war.

I was an adult before I read the Corner Stone speech, or the declarations of secession where the states say, in crystal clear terms, the war was about slavery. Yeah, sure, there were other issues, but at the end of the day secession and the civil war was a dispute over the future of slavery in the United States. Those lessons weren't part of our education. I also learned nothing about the history of the post war period other than the reconstruction period immediately following the war, and learned absolutely nothing of Jim Crow beyond the absolute basics that it happened, was bad, and was over by the time I was in school, or the history of the white supremacist banner (aka the Confederate flag), or the civil rights era beyond the happy story of MLK, Jr. marches, then CRA, and VRA!

So I'm not sure where you grew up, but in my part of the world my history of the era was pitiful, actually. And at least from my perspective, it's a real problem, because when I get into discussions about these things, we're often speaking from different versions of the facts. I had a discussion with my aunt and uncle a few years ago about the civil war and its causes and my aunt, who grew up partly in Mississippi and lived there for a decade as an adult, had obviously never read Mississippi's statement on the topic, at that time, in their own words, which begins,

"In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."

And that's not unusual at all - in fact it's the rule rather than the exception that people growing up here just don't know this stuff - haven't ever read it. Maybe it's better now with the Internet, but in my day, if it wasn't in a textbook, and this stuff was NOT in my area, then you didn't read it. Pretty simple.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

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Yeah. My dad runs a security company in the state. He's been going crazy busy the past 24 hours with everything going on. Providing security for some folks from NBC and Fox News, and they've been steadily adding more as the days been going on

The whole protest was handled incredibly poorly.
The ACLU of Virginia has said that the police were told to stand down.
The organizers, whether we like them or not, were assaulted entering the event and there was no real effort at crowd or traffic control.
The city and possibly the gov have a lot to answer for.

 

[Caine]

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“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.”

Funny how you ignored my other points as well.

So... just typing things in quotes makes it legit?

Cool

Your not very good at this are you?

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

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I am a little confused, because I read the thread thinking you saw nothing to condemn despite the violence. Now you have said that you do condemn the violence.

Violence, outside of self defense, is not justifiable.
I assume most people, including you, believe this.

I don't see the need to condemn something, that is self evidently wrong.

 

[Caine]

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You grew up in inner city poverty?

Poverty is Poverty.

There are more broke ass white people across this country than there are blacks. Living in motor homes (literally the type you tow on vacation behind a pickup truck, not the "Mobile homes" in trailer parks), sitting around collecting welfare, doing drugs... ANNNDD they don't go out murdering people on the streets every other day.

It isn't poverty, its inner city culture. The "middle management" of many of these street gangs in places like Chicago are literally making $90k a year, and still shooting people who get out of line. That isn't poverty, that is crime.

The foot soldiers in these gangs, make literally less than minimum wage, face death and imprisonment, and still choose to work for the gang rather than to continue going to school, get their high school diploma and get a job somewhere and stay out of trouble.
These kids see the guy making $90k a year and think, "That could be me if I am hard enough one day." Meanwhile only a small handful of the thousands ever make it to that level.

 

[Caine]

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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."

And that's not unusual at all - in fact it's the rule rather than the exception that people growing up here just don't know this stuff - haven't ever read it. Maybe it's better now with the Internet, but in my day, if it wasn't in a textbook, and this stuff was NOT in my area, then you didn't read it. Pretty simple.

Of course... that was written by the wealthy Plantation owners who had a greedy and economical reason to keep the propaganda and support for supremacy and slavery in place so they could keep their profits.

But It is the people of the south itself who define the south for me.... not what essentially amounts to "The inner party".

Claiming that the declarations of secession is all you need to learn about the south during that time period is as ignorant as saying all you need to know about the American revolution is the Declaration of Independence.

 

[exoplanet]

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So today their move is to paint him as a White Supremacist while ignoring David Dukes comments toward Trump.

Oh, like this comment David Duke made at the rally?

“This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take our country back. We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in, that’s why we voted for Donald Trump. Because he said he’s going to take our country back. That’s what we gotta do.”

This isn't liberal media spin. This is what the neo-nazis, KKK, etc.. have been telling us over and over. MAGA is a dog whistle for these people, the border wall is a dog whistle, Trump speaks to them loud and clear. They keep telling us they felt normalized by Trump with their own words.

 

[Caine]

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Oh, like this comment David Duke made at the rally?

“This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take our country back. We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in, that’s why we voted for Donald Trump. Because he said he’s going to take our country back. That’s what we gotta do.”

This isn't liberal media spin. This is what the neo-nazis, KKK, etc.. have been telling us over and over. MAGA is a dog whistle for these people, the border wall is a dog whistle, Trump speaks to them loud and clear. They keep telling us they felt normalized by Trump with their own words.

When are people like you going to learn that a group saying **** like this means nothing?

So what? How does that make Donald Trump supportive of them? It doesn't.

When the support is a one way street, it doesn't tell the message you are trying to tell.

Your trying hard, but you are failing to convince anyone with half a brain.

 

[danarhea]

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Duke's not a Democrat anymore.

He's a Trump loving GOP voter in 2017.

True. Yes, once upon a time, it was Republicans who championed equal rights and Southern Democrats who supported Jim Crow. But then a peculiar thing happened. Lyndon Johnson signed the Equal Rights Amendment, and Democrats in the South were outraged. This gave Richard Nixon a chance to win them over as Republicans in 1968 with his "Southern Strategy". That was the year the Democrats' Solid South came apart. And, since then, they have, for the most part, been Republicans. Of course, there were a few holdouts for a while, such as David Duke, but as the GOP became more friendly to White privilege, they eventually became Republicans too., Now the tables are turned. The "Dixiecrats" of yesteryear are now solid Republican, and the GOP history of supporting equal rights and ending racism has now gone down the drain, along with their legacy on those issues. As Janet Jackson sang, "What have you done for me lately?". Diddly squat!! So when Republicans bring up Abraham Lincoln and Dwight Eisenhower as examples, I have to laugh in their faces. That claim is not only dishonest, but farcical, as well as ignorant. Take a look at what happened in Charlottesville. A picture is worth 1,000 words.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

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True. Yes, once upon a time, it was Republicans who championed equal rights and Southern Democrats who supported Jim Crow. But then a peculiar thing happened. Lyndon Johnson signed the Equal Rights Amendment, and Democrats in the South were outraged. This gave Richard Nixon a chance to win them over as Republicans in 1968 with his "Southern Strategy". That was the year the Democrats' Solid South came apart. And, since then, they have, for the most part, been Republicans. Of course, there were a few holdouts for a while, such as David Duke, but as the GOP became more friendly to White privilege, they eventually became Republicans too., Now the tables are turned. The "Dixiecrats" of yesteryear are now solid Republican, and the GOP history of supporting equal rights and ending racism has now gone down the drain, along with their legacy on those issues. As Janet Jackson sang, "What have you done for me lately?". Diddly squat!! So when Republicans bring up Abraham Lincoln and Dwight Eisenhower as examples, I have to laugh in their faces. That claim is not only dishonest, but farcical, as well as ignorant.

I would stop uncritically believing the "Southern strategy" as being demonstrably true.
People are doing research on this, with some surprising results.

The Myth of ?the Southern Strategy? - The New York Times

 

[Serenity]

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I have justified no criminal acts from either side. You, on the other hand, try to justify the maiming/killing of protesters you have no proof were committing crimes. Disgusting.

Yes, this.

Repulsive.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

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Poverty is Poverty.

There are more broke ass white people across this country than there are blacks. Living in motor homes (literally the type you tow on vacation behind a pickup truck, not the "Mobile homes" in trailer parks), sitting around collecting welfare, doing drugs... ANNNDD they don't go out murdering people on the streets every other day.

It isn't poverty, its inner city culture. The "middle management" of many of these street gangs in places like Chicago are literally making $90k a year, and still shooting people who get out of line. That isn't poverty, that is crime.

The foot soldiers in these gangs, make literally less than minimum wage, face death and imprisonment, and still choose to work for the gang rather than to continue going to school, get their high school diploma and get a job somewhere and stay out of trouble.
These kids see the guy making $90k a year and think, "That could be me if I am hard enough one day." Meanwhile only a small handful of the thousands ever make it to that level.

White people in America commit murder every single day. That you want to pretend crime is a black problem and poor whites don't really do it says a lot about your motivations. Did you march with your ideological bretheren yesterday?

 

[Caine]

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White people in America commit murder every single day. That you want to pretend crime is a black problem and poor whites don't really do it says a lot about your motivations. Did you march with your ideological bretheren yesterday?

We were SPECIFICALLY talking about the causes of crime in the inner city.

Don't jump into a conversation without reading all the preceeding posts in that line of discussion first.

 

[Former GOP]

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You seriously going there? Comparing the the plight of inner city poverty to the Nazi Regime. That is low.

I think you know what the answer is. Black gang-bangers are the most violent of all. And let's get real here. Inner city poverty has zilch to do with why so many blacks and other minorities resort to a life of crime.

That said, I have no use for KKK or white supremacy groups, but black gangs and other black power organizations over the years like the Panthers are just as racist and criminal as the white supremacy idiots. Down with all of them!

 

[RabidAlpaca]

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We were SPECIFICALLY talking about the causes of crime in the inner city.

Don't jump into a conversation without reading all the preceeding posts in that line of discussion first.

No, the thread is about a nazi rally organized by white people turning violent when a white person committed a terrorist attack. You somehow have the gall to make it about black people while loudly proclaiming that white people don't commit crimes every other day. That's a blatantly false statement created to attack other races. Did you goosestep your way along the boulevard with your buds yesterday?

 

[Nap]

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Fair enough. Personally, I believe Paul would have adapted. Much easier to stick to a strict ideology when you are a senator representing a single state.

The weird thing is for some reason I didn't like Rand at first. I think it was mainly due to comparing him to the father but he has grown on me.

 

[haymarket]

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Ahh, the emotional angle. That's what gets played when logic, the ability to reason and common sense clearly doesn't exist in any of your posts.

Had the counter protesters not showed up today, no one would have died, no one would have been hurt or arrested and a small group of white racist pieces of **** wouldn't have been given the attention they were seeking in the first place. They had a "message" to get out and if they would have been ignored, their message would not have been heard. I know, I know, it's a simple concept. Ignoring the lower forms of life won't make them go away, but it won't allow them to spread their hate either.

Actually it just reality.

You do know what that is ... right?

 

[Port & Starboard]

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Ahh, the emotional angle. That's what gets played when logic, the ability to reason and common sense clearly doesn't exist in any of your posts.

Had the counter protesters not showed up today, no one would have died, no one would have been hurt or arrested and a small group of white racist pieces of **** wouldn't have been given the attention they were seeking in the first place. They had a "message" to get out and if they would have been ignored, their message would not have been heard. I know, I know, it's a simple concept. Ignoring the lower forms of life won't make them go away, but it won't allow them to spread their hate either.

The irony of all this, is the failure of some of these emotionally charged posters on here who failed to recognize that there were hundreds of local white people out there in Justice Park, along with many many more white counter protesters who traveled long distances...............................all going loggerheads with the whites supremacists.

I am willing to bet that there is a mixed bag of political difference within the ranks of the counter protesters who were going loggerheads with these Nazi assholes.

Would I be wrong in assuming so? I sure as hell wouldn't tolerate any KKK in my hood, even if I had to do jail time.

 

[PeteEU]

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Obama didn't specifically call out violent BLM groups who started that conflict, instead opting to make a general statement. Trump does the same thing and he is somehow wrong.

The fact you are comparing BLM and the KKK/Neo Nazi movement really is troubling.

 

[it's just me]

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The fact you are comparing BLM and the KKK/Neo Nazi movement really is troubling.

Sometimes the truth hurts....