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We only have snippets of Zimmerman's statement's to police.
And thus far they are consistent with the 911 calls we have heard and also with the released information from Trayvon's girlfriend.
Now let me ask you about what you said here about the confrontation. Or as you describe it, "a conversation".
You don't think the police know that?
Of course they do, and whatever information was had, it still wasn't enough for the prosecutors to bring charges.
Remember. It was the prosecutors and not the police that determined there wasn't enough evidence to obtain a conviction.
Why are you saying there wasn't an investigation when clearly there was?
No he hasn't.
That is a characterization in your mind.
Let me know when you find a shred of evidence that Trayvon knew Zimmerman was on the phone with the police.He was pissed that Zimmerman called the police on him?
Say what??Zimmerman being beaten down and Martin continuing to assault him, particularly noting a wound to the BACK of Zimmerman's head, does justify him using deadly force, since he clearly was unable to defend himself otherwise. NO ONE has to allow themselves to be continually beaten at risk of greater pain, greater risk of permanent disfigurement, permanent crippling injury, permanent brain damage or death.
You seem to be going around in circles
Sections 776.032 and 776.085 provides the protection from civil action resulting form the use of justifiable deadly force. Fortunately Zimmerman is in Florida and the Fl legislature has worked that out for him
Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes :->2010->Chapter 776 : Online Sunshine
Tardiness is bad behavior.He was suspended for being tardy. Not for bad behaviour, not for drugs, not for fighting. For tardiness.
Take color out of it.
There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating.
Jesse Jackson - Wikiquote
How does one defend themselves from a potential attacker without assaulting them?As far as I know, assault is not a defense.
Tardiness is bad behavior.
As far as I know, assault is not a defense.
Maybe there should be one thread for the presentation and discussion of factual information, and another for wild supposition?
Don't you mean wild supposition?Ok, we throw in a little CYA.
Critisized? What's that mean, and just why should I care? Where is the detailed analysis of what happened to form an opinion on it?The officer in charge at the scene was criticized for not arresting the son of another cop who was on video beating a homelss guy.
I know there are specialties within Police agencies, but that in no way means this Officer was incapable of investigating or that it was improper to pepper him with questions. And this doesn't even speak to whether or not they had a homicide detective later in the interview process. Or even if it really matters.The officer who responded may not have been conversant with homocide procedures.
That's right. It may not have.The girlfriends information may not have entered the picture immediately.
Oh great. Now it's a damned conspiracy.So halfass policework swept under the carpet by the DA to avoid any kind of liability for negligence on the part of the PD of the city for which the DA works? Counting on Martin having a record so it all goes away?
lolNo, it's being late...
I get what your saying here.How does one defend themselves from a potential attacker without assaulting them?So what? Trayvon had every right to defend himself from someone following him in the dark.As far as I know, assault is not a defense.
Now you're making **** up. You don't even know what he reasons for being late are. That is not bad behavior.lol
Continuously being late is bad behavior.
And I guess when it happens numerous times, one eventually get suspended for such bad behavior.
lol
Continuously being late is bad behavior.
And I guess when it happens numerous times, one eventually get suspended for such bad behavior.
When do you stop making stuff up? Florida law allowed Trayvon to attack Zimmermen if he reasonably felt Zimmerman posed an imminent threat to him. Which is not unreasonable against someone following you in the dark for no apparent reason.I get what your saying here.
How is this?
Trayvon engaged in aggravated assault.
That is not a defense to being followed.
Besides, the only evidence we have is that he was the initial attacker.
I look forward to you proving that ....And we know he has an extremely violent disposition towards people that piss him off.
Your grasping.Now you're making **** up. You don't even know what he reasons for being late are. That is not bad behavior.
Not necessarily. "Exused" tardies require a parent or guardian written approval. Face facts, you don't know the reasons for why Trayvon was late for school. Stop pretending like you do.Being tardy is bad behavior.
If there were legitimate reason for them they would have resulted in 'excused tardies' wouldn't they?
And a person usually doesn't get expelled exclusively for 'excused tardies'.
Your grasping.
Being tardy is bad behavior.
If there were legitimate reason for them they would have resulted in 'excused tardies' wouldn't they?
And a person usually doesn't get expelled exclusively for 'excused tardies'.
This expulsion thing doesn't really matter to the known facts of this incident.
So how about we just stick with those?
I agree with everything else you said in that post except the above.
You do not know him to be an asshole.
All report that I have seen of those that know him say he isn't.
This needs to be reworded.Please demonstrate anything that doesn't fit ALL the evidence EXCEPT Zimmermans statement.
lolAnd the behavioral precedent for the aggressive behavior on Martin's part you are accepting as gospel. A-B student, no record, nothing but the suspension for being tardy. Knew several chronic tardies back in my school days. Can't remember any indication of this being associated with violent tendencies.
"Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell.”
This is something the Police as well as the Prosecutor, would already have known. And it was decided not to press charges.Further, if Zim made no mention of the conversation with Martin, then he's probably lying to avoid going to jail.
Since we are engaged in wild supposition, how come you are not supposing that she lied?And remember: the girlfriends story places the scuffle immediately after the verbal exchange.
lolNot necessarily. "Exused" tardies require a parent or guardian written approval. Face facts, you don't know the reasons for why Trayvon was late for school. Stop pretending like you do.
Please show me where I made this connection.Please explain how you can make the jump from tardiness to violence and other "suspicious" behavior. There seem to be a lot of assumptions in this thread.
Please show me where I made this connection.
As far as I know, and is even in what you quoted from me, was the following:"This expulsion thing doesn't really matter to the known facts of this incident.
So how about we just stick with those?"
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