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FALSE TEACHERS

tosca1 said:
It's an issue to you because you're sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. :)
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tosca1 said:
You're giving an irrelevant argument.
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tosca1 said:
If members in this forum simply know - and can tell - where and when their argument is appropriate..........................we won't have unnecessary interruptions such as this.
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Please quit being so hateful.


tosca1 said:
I don't want this thread to be derailed by ignorant responses.
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Then quit posting.
 
bongsaway said:
You know it's true, so which is the 'real' Bible? Also, if you don't agree with what others say, they are false profits? You can ignore me all you wish, as many others do because I hit you and them with truth.
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The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament with the first arrival of the MESSIAH.
 
LittleNipper said:
The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament with the first arrival of the MESSIAH.
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No, for the Jewish people, the Messiah has not yet arrived. Judaism believes in the coming of a Messiah who will usher in a Messianic Age of peace and redemption, but it is widely held that he is yet to come. The belief in the Messiah is a central tenet of Jewish faith, and Jews continue to pray for and anticipate his arrival.
Do Christians use the term messiah?
 
bongsaway said:
Do Christians use the term messiah?
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Messiah does not appear in the NT……they got Christ instead whose remit was much broader than a messiah….
 
bongsaway said:
No, for the Jewish people, the Messiah has not yet arrived. Judaism believes in the coming of a Messiah who will usher in a Messianic Age of peace and redemption, but it is widely held that he is yet to come.
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he is yet to come; the Jews missed him the first time, except for those who converted over to the Truth.

the Second Time, Jesus will come in full Glory and stop the Armageddon war. he will rule the whole world from Jerusalem and the christians coming back with him from heaven.


bongsaway said:
The belief in the Messiah is a central tenet of Jewish faith, and Jews continue to pray for and anticipate his arrival.
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that's good. takes a lot of faith to believe to the end. we christians try to help them over to the Truth, but there is a whole bunch of stubbornness among them. they have been educated from The Faith instead.

bongsaway said:
Do Christians use the term messiah?
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some times. God has many names and we should attempt to use them.


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bongsaway said:
No, for the Jewish people, the Messiah has not yet arrived. Judaism believes in the coming of a Messiah who will usher in a Messianic Age of peace and redemption, but it is widely held that he is yet to come. The belief in the Messiah is a central tenet of Jewish faith, and Jews continue to pray for and anticipate his arrival.
Do Christians use the term messiah?
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For some of them --- well, maybe most of them ----- BUT DIFFIDENTLY NOT ALL --------- Jews are still waiting for their MESSIAH... However, they apparently are waiting for some messiah they created in their heads, and not the ONE GOD planned to save the entire fallen Universe. Their imagined messiah is so much smaller than such a MESSIAH could ever truly be. And JESUS fulfilled the prophecies, and came at the correct time in historically. CHRIST comes from the Latin CHRISTUS, which means MESSIAH ----- same word different language. But yes, CHRISTIANS know the term MESSIAH. And yes, I did once sing tenor in the MESSIAH, and it was like the tension was astounding. It was WONDERFUL!
 
Revelation said:
he is yet to come; the Jews missed him the first time, except for those who converted over to the Truth.

the Second Time, Jesus will come in full Glory and stop the Armageddon war. he will rule the whole world from Jerusalem and the christians coming back with him from heaven.




that's good. takes a lot of faith to believe to the end. we christians try to help them over to the Truth, but there is a whole bunch of stubbornness among them. they have been educated from The Faith instead.



some times. God has many names and we should attempt to use them.


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Oh my, how horrible. His chosen people missed him the first time around and to this very day the Jews still think the Messiah has yet to arrive. In other words his chosen people didn't know your truth and that's why they missed his first arrival? I can't believe people argue over this stuff.
 
bongsaway said:
Oh my, how horrible. His chosen people missed him the first time around and to this very day the Jews still think the Messiah has yet to arrive. In other words his chosen people didn't know your truth and that's why they missed his first arrival? I can't believe people argue over this stuff.
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the early church in Acts was mostly Jewish, but just a Remanent of Jews believed. par for the course, most people do not believe, and the ones that do tend to drop away leaving just a handful left.

the Jews will get it second time around, but they have to go thru a lot of Tribulation first before it becomes obvious that Jesus is the Savior.

all of Life tends to work that way. the Truth is out there, but most walk by it as if nothing was there.....

except for the Wise.


as long as there is Life there is hope Bongs.


blessings.

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911Sparky said:
So God messed up with the original?
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no. Salvation was promised in the old testament and fulfilled in the new testament.

in all of this, it is a walk of Faith with God.........every day.


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watsup said:
You are indeed an expert in myths and superstitions.
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To each his own

I'm in the telling business.

God is in the saving business.

Meanwhile, scripture states we are to knock the dust off our feet when the word we proclaim is rejected.

Matthew 10:12-15
12 As you enter the house, greet it.

13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.

15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
 
LittleNipper said:
they apparently are waiting for some messiah they created in their heads
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In other words, just like your Messiah—created in your head—and that’s all.

LittleNipper said:
and not the ONE GOD planned to save the entire fallen Universe
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Quite a myth you have there. Save the entire fallen universe from what?
 
VySky said:
There are many truths in the bible. What's your definition of "useful" truth?
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Maybe some factual knowledge that originated in the bible that only a god could have known.
 
Revelation said:
the early church in Acts was mostly Jewish, but just a Remanent of Jews believed. par for the course, most people do not believe, and the ones that do tend to drop away leaving just a handful left.

the Jews will get it second time around, but they have to go thru a lot of Tribulation first before it becomes obvious that Jesus is the Savior.

all of Life tends to work that way. the Truth is out there, but most walk by it as if nothing was there.....

except for the Wise.


as long as there is Life there is hope Bongs.


blessings.

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Hope for what? Everyone will believe as you do?
 
LittleNipper said:
For some of them --- well, maybe most of them ----- BUT DIFFIDENTLY NOT ALL --------- Jews are still waiting for their MESSIAH... However, they apparently are waiting for some messiah they created in their heads, and not the ONE GOD planned to save the entire fallen Universe. Their imagined messiah is so much smaller than such a MESSIAH could ever truly be. And JESUS fulfilled the prophecies, and came at the correct time in historically. CHRIST comes from the Latin CHRISTUS, which means MESSIAH ----- same word different language. But yes, CHRISTIANS know the term MESSIAH. And yes, I did once sing tenor in the MESSIAH, and it was like the tension was astounding. It was WONDERFUL!
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Unlike the Christians who believe a guy named Jesus was also a god. The correct time historically? Sounds like the end times, they are a comin' you know and have been for hundreds and hundreds of years.
 
bongsaway said:
Oh my, how horrible. His chosen people missed him the first time around and to this very day the Jews still think the Messiah has yet to arrive. In other words his chosen people didn't know your truth and that's why they missed his first arrival? I can't believe people argue over this stuff.
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GOD still loves HIS Chosen people even though HE needs to provoke them to win them back...
Romans 11:1-13

1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

Israel’s Rejection Not Final​

11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their [b]fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their [c]fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
 
bongsaway said:
Unlike the Christians who believe a guy named Jesus was also a god. The correct time historically? Sounds like the end times, they are a comin' you know and have been for hundreds and hundreds of years.
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Well think about it. Within a very short time after JESUS was crucified and arose and assented the temple at Jerusalem was burnt to the ground, the stones all cast down and totally destroyed -- except for a foundation wall left by GOD for the Jews to cry at. And all its citizens dispersed. It must have seemed like the end times. And the Jews have been running ever since. But now, Israel has been resurrected ---- who would have imagined (though predicted in the Bible). Things are happening faster and faster ------- the future is upon us all...
 
watsup said:
In other words, just like your Messiah—created in your head—and that’s all.
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Mine is discovered throughout the Word of GOD.

watsup said:
Quite a myth you have there. Save the entire fallen universe from what?
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Destruction.

Romans 8:22 , The whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.
 
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