FALSE TEACHERS

[Metanoia]

If the propensity to lie is connected to falsity the most obvious false teacher of our times is Donald Trump ..?? No matter the origin of falsity it seeps into all areas….including religion IMO…..

 

[bongsaway]

The new testament was written for damage control purposes..

The guys who wrote the old testament got carried away and declared a fair, just, and loving God to be a God that willfully drowned every single newborn, infant, toddler, and child because of the actions of adults. It's a hard sell to convince a logical, rational, critical thinker that perpetrating such a deed qualifies the deed as being "fair, just, and loving".

Righto, putting it simply, the old testament was too harsh, the new testament made god a more loving caring god. I've always heard you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Imho, I find false teachers to be worse than atheists.....................as far as which one poses more danger to FAITH and to the Church of Christ.

Two things.

First, the fact that there are thousands of denominations and each disagrees with the others, at least in part, on what the correct teachings are.....proves how stupid and fictional Christianity is.

I would think an actual god could arrange to have a book written that wasnt so God awful vague and contradictory that it means all kinds of things to all kinds of people and is often used to justify the most evil things.

Secondly.

What is wrong with athiests?

 

[Individual]

Two things.

First, the fact that there are thousands of denominations and each disagrees with the others, at least in part, on what the correct teachings are.....proves how stupid and fictional Christianity is.

I would think an actual god could arrange to have a book written that wasnt so God awful vague and contradictory that it means all kinds of things to all kinds of people and is often used to justify the most evil things.

Secondly.

What is wrong with atheists?

I was about to ask that question.

 

[radioman]

I would think an actual god could arrange to have a book written that wasnt so God awful vague and contradictory that it means all kinds of things to all kinds of people and is often used to justify the most evil things.

Given the technology that exists, an all powerful god could easily communicate his exact wishes to all of humanity clearly and concisely.
Yet, he doesn't.
This loving god doesn't seem much interested in saving mankind from eternal hellfire.
Go figure.

 

[VySky]

With whom by whom?

"The New Covenant is the promise that God will forgive sin and restore fellowship with those whose hearts are turned toward Him. Jesus Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant, and His death on the cross is the basis of the promise (Luke 22:20). The New Covenant was predicted while the Old Covenant was still in effect—the prophets Moses, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel all allude to the New Covenant."

What is the New Covenant? | GotQuestions.org

What is the New Covenant? How is the New Covenant related to premillennialism and amillennialism?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Terryj]

When the Christ was refering to "Wolves in sheep clothing" it was dealing with those who claim to teach his word, I think the one who is reality guilty of this would have been Paul. It was Paul's teaching that really bastardized the teaching of Jesus.

 

[bongsaway]

"The New Covenant is the promise that God will forgive sin and restore fellowship with those whose hearts are turned toward Him. Jesus Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant, and His death on the cross is the basis of the promise (Luke 22:20). The New Covenant was predicted while the Old Covenant was still in effect—the prophets Moses, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel all allude to the New Covenant."

What is the New Covenant? | GotQuestions.org

What is the New Covenant? How is the New Covenant related to premillennialism and amillennialism?

www.gotquestions.org

I hope the new covenant's promises are better than the donald's, after all he is the gop's god.

 

[tosca1]

Why are atheists and non-Christians so agitated by this thread?

Read the OP again.





Are you saying...........


you want me to focus on you instead?

 

[tosca1]

So, @tosca1, I have question.

If two people disagree on the meaning of a particular bible passage, does that automatically mean that at least one of them is wrong?

They'll have to make sure their translation(s) aren't in any conflict with the Bible.
That's how we discern.
Both could be wrong, too.

 

[tosca1]

If the propensity to lie is connected to falsity the most obvious false teacher of our times is Donald Trump ..?? No matter the origin of falsity it seeps into all areas….including religion IMO…..

Anyone who spreads false teachings, would be a false teacher.

So I suppose, if we aren't clear on something - it's best to just keep it to yourself, or be honest about it and say you don't know..

 

[Stealers Wheel]

They'll have to make sure their translation(s) aren't in any conflict with the Bible.
That's how we discern.
Both could be wrong, too.

"The Bible"

Which Bible would that be?

 

[Individual]

Anyone who spreads false teachings, would be a false teacher.

So I suppose, if we aren't clear on something - it's best to just keep it to yourself, or be honest about it and say you don't know..

There's no way of knowing who first created the stories about these imaginary gods, or the changes that occurred before they became fixed in written form.

If only that was done thousands of years ago, many lives would have not been lost in the name of god(s), and threads like this would not exist today.

 

[tosca1]

There's no way of knowing who first created the stories about these imaginary gods, or the changes that occurred before they became fixed in written form.

This thread is on the premise that false teachers believe in what you say is an, IMAGINARY GOD.
CHRISTIANS, in particular.
They believe in the Scriptures. The Book that we Christians know as the BIBLE.

There is no issue for us as to "who first created these stories!"

It's an issue to you because you're sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.

If only that was done thousands of years ago, many lives would have not been lost in the name of god(s), and threads like this would not exist today.

You're giving an irrelevant argument.


If members in this forum simply know - and can tell - where and when their argument is appropriate..........................we won't have unnecessary interruptions such as this.

I don't want this thread to be derailed by ignorant responses.



Have a nice day.

 

[tosca1]

"The Bible"

Which Bible would that be?

Mainstream Bibles that are used or recommended by scholars.

You can google them.

I have a KJV Study Bible.
But I also copy/paste from NIV, ESV, NASB.


Here is a comprehensive explanation about them:




How do Bible versions differ?


The Consistency of Scripture

Despite variations from one translation to another, the biblical message remains remarkably consistent.
Textual criticism and manuscript discoveries (such as the many thousands of Greek New Testament manuscripts, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and other archaeological and historical records) have repeatedly confirmed Scripture’s integrity.

In Hebrews 4:12, we read, “For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword…”
This living Word transcends any single human language while preserving the truth that each translation seeks to convey.
Whether one reads a highly literal rendering or a dynamic paraphrase, the central themes-God’s sovereignty, human sin, redemption through the risen Christ-are steadfast.



10. Concluding Perspectives on Choosing a Translation

When selecting a Bible version:

• Seek a translation that aids understanding and provides reliable textual fidelity.

• Compare multiple versions to engage the fullness of the Scriptures and ensure a balanced view.

• Recognize that language evolves, so responsible scholarship and textual analysis will continue refining translations over time.

Archaeological evidence, manuscript discoveries, and textual analysis all confirm that Scripture’s message has been preserved and remains aligned with the earliest known texts.
This continuity underscores the reliability of the Bible for believers and seekers alike.

Its timeless truths remain clear through the centuries, enabling readers to embrace the foundational words that point to life and salvation.

What are the differences between Bible versions and translations?

biblehub.com

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Mainstream Bibles that are used or recommended by scholars.

You can google them.

That's a dodge and you know it. I have over a dozen bible translations. They are not all the same.

Please answer the question. Which translation is the correct one?

 

[tosca1]

....on Bible Reliability​

 

[tosca1]

That's a dodge and you know it. I have over a dozen bible translations. They are not all the same.

Please answer the question. Which translation is the correct one?

I'm not dodging anything.



Depends what bibles you have.
The QUEEN's Bible, as an example, wouldn't be the same. It's been corrupted to suit their agenda.
JW's NWT wouldn't be the same.

But the mainstream REPUTABLE ones..........would hold the same message, even if there are some differences.


Give me an example of a difference between them (tell me what bible they're from), that changes the message.

 

[Individual]

This thread is on the premise that false teachers believe in what you say is an IMAGINARY GOD.
CHRISTIANS, in particular.
They believe in the Scriptures. The Book that we Christians know as the BIBLE.

I have no problem being made aware of what some believe, until an attempt is made to promote it as fact.

You're giving an irrelevant argument.

If members in this forum simply know - and can tell - where and when their argument is appropriate..........................we won't have unnecessary interruptions such as this.

I don't want this thread to be derailed by ignorant responses.

Have a nice day.

Ignoring what has historically been proven to be relevant only indicates a belief in false teachings.

You created this thread in the "Beliefs and Skepticism" forum, therefore any argument about your belief is appropriate.

I find derogative responses to be indicative of an ignorant person.

I did, but it's evening now.

 

[Metanoia]

Which translation is the correct one?

This indirectly points to one of the fallacies of the church. Many in the church have total reliance on the Bible…..2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that the Bible is useful and beneficial for teaching whereas John 16:13 informs us that when the Spirit comes “he will guide you into ALL truth”…..this is a huge difference. The church is tied to a book but God is beyond that. Thus we argue about a book but are unable to speak with familiarity of the Spirit. If God is universal then so is the Spirit……the Spirit cannot be exclusive to Christianity. Without the Spirit a correct translation of the Bible is simply a matter of personal opinion…..

 

[Daisy]

.2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that the Bible is useful and beneficial for teaching whereas John 16:13 informs us that when the Spirit comes “he will guide you into ALL truth”…..this is a huge difference.

Not at all...it takes both...remember, one is to take ALL scripture into consideration, not cherry pick...

 

[Individual]

What is it the Bible has to teach us?
What useful proven or provable truth exists within the Bible?

 

[Stealers Wheel]

This indirectly points to one of the fallacies of the church. Many in the church have total reliance on the Bible…..2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that the Bible is useful and beneficial for teaching whereas John 16:13 informs us that when the Spirit comes “he will guide you into ALL truth”…..this is a huge difference. The church is tied to a book but God is beyond that. Thus we argue about a book but are unable to speak with familiarity of the Spirit. If God is universal then so is the Spirit……the Spirit cannot be exclusive to Christianity. Without the Spirit a correct translation of the Bible is simply a matter of personal opinion…..

I agree.

While many treat the Bible as some sort of divine cookbook (just follow the recipes and you're good with God), I'm of the opinion the Bible should serve as a conduit for the Spirit to guide and open one's mind and heart to God's will in their life. Nitpicking over minutia is a waste of time.

 

[Metanoia]

. Nitpicking over minutia is a waste of time.

Yes, of course. It, in essence it , is having 20-20 vision and walking around blind. You become stuck in one gear and this focus of your ego prevents you from seeing “the forest for the trees”. And it is indicative of a loss of freedom. It is like seeing one beautiful sunset…checking that off your bucket list and never having the desire to see another sunset……

 

[watsup]

"The New Covenant is the promise that God will forgive sin and restore fellowship with those whose hearts are turned toward Him. Jesus Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant, and His death on the cross is the basis of the promise (Luke 22:20). The New Covenant was predicted while the Old Covenant was still in effect—the prophets Moses, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel all allude to the New Covenant."

What is the New Covenant? | GotQuestions.org

What is the New Covenant? How is the New Covenant related to premillennialism and amillennialism?

www.gotquestions.org

You are indeed an expert in myths and superstitions.