Fake Trump electors in Ga. told to shroud plans in ‘secrecy,’ email shows

[JasperL]

It's weird, it's like the Democrat sympathetic news media depend on their readers to be bubbled and have short memories...

There was no secrecy. They were the electors that would have voted had Trump won. And if Trump won his challenge, their votes would have been needed.

A Republican group of fake Georgia 'electors' met to vote for Trump — despite Biden's win

Because President-elect Joe Biden won the popular vote in Georgia, he is entitled to the state's 16 votes in the Electoral College — and on Monday, 16 Democratic electors in the Peach State officially cast their votes for the former vice president. But while Georgia's real electors were...

www.alternet.org

The 'secrecy' was urged before the vote. Your link doesn't contradict that. And the alternate slates were key to the plan for Pence to reject the duly appointed electors and unilaterally recognize this group of morons as the electors. I don't get the gaslighting attempts. We've now all seen the memos outlining this strategy, among others.

Also, the Democrats begged for "faithless Electors" in 2017 to fight Trump Russia colusion that they knew was a lie.

The difference is that "electors" in many states are not obligated to support any candidate. There is nothing illegal or unconstitutional in urging electors who can legally vote for whom they want to cast a vote for Trump or for Biden or Mickey Mouse. The "alternate" slate of electors had no legal or constitutional backing of any kind.

 

[JasperL]

They do, they like to make claims of secretive meetings by Republicans when a simple Google search shows that the meetings were not only not secretive, but publicized. They know the the people who follow them will run with a story rather than do a Google serach first.

Publicized after the fact. Why keep the meeting and vote secret before it happened? That's what the article alleges.

Nope, it's not misleading at all. Had the GOP won in GA, they had their electors selected, just as the Dmeocrats had electors ready.

Why why why do you lie about shit that is a mere Google away? The GOP gave up their challenge in GA in January 2021, this not-at-all secret show vote was held in December.

But the electors had a fake vote. And the fact that the Trump campaign gave up their GA challenge is not relevant to whether the lawsuits had any merit.

And, follow with me here... this was also just noise.

It was "just noise" because Pence and others ultimately decided to follow the law and the constitution. The plot was real, it just failed. Trump was pushing the plot up until the very last possible moment on January 6th as were other GOP and WH leaders. Your attempt to minimize all this is pretty fascinating.

No conspiracy, it was a public show vote.

It was part of a plan to have Pence decide the election. Call it a 'conspiracy' or anything else, that was the plan.

 

[jmotivator]

The 'secrecy' was urged before the vote. Your link doesn't contradict that. And the alternate slates were key to the plan for Pence to reject the duly appointed electors and unilaterally recognize this group of morons as the electors. I don't get the gaslighting attempts. We've now all seen the memos outlining this strategy, among others.

The 'secrecy' didn't exist. It was reported on and there were photos taken of the event when it happened. You realize you aren't obligated to swallow every piece of bullshit that Democrats throw your way, right?

The difference is that "electors" in many states are not obligated to support any candidate. There is nothing illegal or unconstitutional in urging electors who can legally vote for whom they want to cast a vote for Trump or for Biden or Mickey Mouse. The "alternate" slate of electors had no legal or constitutional backing of any kind.

There is nothing illegal about holding a mock vote either when you aren't even a sworn elector.

 

[jmotivator]

Publicized after the fact. Why keep the meeting and vote secret before it happened? That's what the article alleges.

So secret! They announced they had voted! They weren;t sworn electors. You guys are really running with this shit, aren't you?

But the electors had a fake vote. And the fact that the Trump campaign gave up their GA challenge is not relevant to whether the lawsuits had any merit.

Can you show me what law they broke by casting a non binding vote that meant nothing? I realize you are the party of anti-speech, but you don't have to run at it with such gusto constantly.

It was "just noise" because Pence and others ultimately decided to follow the law and the constitution. The plot was real, it just failed. Trump was pushing the plot up until the very last possible moment on January 6th as were other GOP and WH leaders. Your attempt to minimize all this is pretty fascinating.

It was all just noise because the sworn GA electors cast their votes. There is nothing illegal about a group of people who were not selected as electors casting a mock vote.

It was part of a plan to have Pence decide the election. Call it a 'conspiracy' or anything else, that was the plan.

So you are trying to piece together a new phony scandal over something you think might have been a plan that demonstrably wasn't actually a plan?

Man, you folks will go outr of your way debasing yourselves in order to believe some real bullshit, won't you?

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

Forever cheating and rigging all while claiming others are cheating and rigging. (paywall)

That's exactly what the Propagandist want the Stupid people to FEEL is happening!...

Think about it ! This happened openly and directly during the certification process!!!!....
So this "SECRECY" BS is stupid ! The State legislators who, saw the Fraud and wanted to legally do something about it, looked in to the
Law to see what could be done !

Go look it up (The Media will not Spoon Feed the Truth), in the past when there was contention about the Certification of an Election, they
sent an "alternative slate of Electoral College Electors" !

The fact that you posted this Propaganda piece, shows that you are buying the Propaganda hook line and sinker!!!.....

Did you ever ask yourself:
Why didn't they do anything about this when it happened, and why do they ONLY put out Stories in the Press???...
(Just like the Phone Call from Trump to the GA Sec of State)

 

[poweRob]

It's weird, it's like the Democrat sympathetic news media depend on their readers to be bubbled and have short memories...

There was no secrecy. They were the electors that would have voted had Trump won. And if Trump won his challenge, their votes would have been needed.

A Republican group of fake Georgia 'electors' met to vote for Trump — despite Biden's win

Because President-elect Joe Biden won the popular vote in Georgia, he is entitled to the state's 16 votes in the Electoral College — and on Monday, 16 Democratic electors in the Peach State officially cast their votes for the former vice president. But while Georgia's real electors were...

www.alternet.org

Also, the Democrats begged for "faithless Electors" in 2017 to fight Trump Russia colusion that they knew was a lie.

Spare me your stupid, fainting couch theatrics.

 

[JasperL]

The 'secrecy' didn't exist. It was reported on and there were photos taken of the event when it happened. You realize you aren't obligated to swallow every piece of bullshit that Democrats throw your way, right?

Again, the fake electors were warned not to divulge their plan BEFORE THE VOTE.

There was no bullshit in the article, just in the fake, lawless attempt to overturn the election pushed at the highest levels of the White House including the then POTUS and many of his closest advisors. That's what you're so feverishly defending.

There is nothing illegal about holding a mock vote either when you aren't even a sworn elector.

Me: "The "alternate" slate of electors had no legal or constitutional backing of any kind."

You: Let me move the goal posts so I can make a bullshit objection to your post, so I can continue to trivialize the most blatant attempt to overturn an election in U.S. history.

 

[ClaraD]

I'm not wasting beach property for these people

We could always throw them to the confines of Death Valley without transportation...

 

[JasperL]

Can you show me what law they broke by casting a non binding vote that meant nothing? I realize you are the party of anti-speech, but you don't have to run at it with such gusto constantly.

What the **** are you talking about? Me: "But the electors had a fake vote. And the fact that the Trump campaign gave up their GA challenge is not relevant to whether the lawsuits had any merit." So I didn't claim any law was broken - you created that straw man, and what in the hell does my comment have to do with "anti-speech." I feel like I'm in a different reality than you are because you're quoting me then spouting bullshit that has literally nothing whatever to do with the words I typed.

It was all just noise because the sworn GA electors cast their votes. There is nothing illegal about a group of people who were not selected as electors casting a mock vote.

Again, you quoted me then ignored the comment to beat the shit out of your straw man. Here's what I typed: "It was "just noise" because Pence and others ultimately decided to follow the law and the constitution. The plot was real, it just failed. Trump was pushing the plot up until the very last possible moment on January 6th as were other GOP and WH leaders. Your attempt to minimize all this is pretty fascinating.

So you are trying to piece together a new phony scandal over something you think might have been a plan that demonstrably wasn't actually a plan?

Please demonstrate it wasn't actually a plan. I'd love to see this and how you ignore all the written and other evidence of that plan, and Trump very unambiguously pushing the allegedly non-existent plan all the way through the vote on Jan. 6th. Are you this ignorant of the facts, or just gaslighting us?

Man, you folks will go outr of your way debasing yourselves in order to believe some real bullshit, won't you?

What bullshit do I believe? Please let me know and I'll back it up just for you. There's nothing I've said that's even in doubt at this point.

 

[Rexedgar]

I will go toe to toe with anyone.

Tom Fitz thinks I am a troll.

I’ll troll you to the truth.

God bless America.

Tom’s not alone………

 

[jmotivator]

Again, the fake electors were warned not to divulge their plan BEFORE THE VOTE.

Again, when they hold a fake vote and then announce it IT ISN'T SECRET.

Nor criminal, nor nefarious..

There was no bullshit in the article, just in the fake, lawless attempt to overturn the election pushed at the highest levels of the White House including the then POTUS and many of his closest advisors. That's what you're so feverishly defending.

What law was broken? How would that non-binding, unofficial vote "overturn the election"? Do you bother thinking about your stupid accusations before posting them?

Me: "The "alternate" slate of electors had no legal or constitutional backing of any kind."

You don't don't understand how that statement pushes your argument off a cliff, do you? Let me walk you through it....

They were not selected as electors. Since their vote wasn't legally binding, there were no laws broken. They were private citizens with no legal mandate.

You: Let me move the goal posts so I can make a bullshit objection to your post, so I can continue to trivialize the most blatant attempt to overturn an election in U.S. history.

I'm not moving the goal posts. I am pointing out that your foot pounding over this event is pinheaded nonsense, because it is.

 

[jmotivator]

Democrat triggered over nonsense article posts nonse article, accuses others of being triggered by it. News at 11.

 

[jmotivator]

What the **** are you talking about? Me: "But the electors had a fake vote. And the fact that the Trump campaign gave up their GA challenge is not relevant to whether the lawsuits had any merit." So I didn't claim any law was broken - you created that straw man, and what in the hell does my comment have to do with "anti-speech." I feel like I'm in a different reality than you are because you're quoting me then spouting bullshit that has literally nothing whatever to do with the words I typed.

You are arguing in favor of my point: If no laws were broken, what is the story here?

In December, in the event that GOP electors would need to be counted, GOP electors cast a non-binding vote that was not necessary. Is that the story you all are spun up about?

 

[Mustachio]

You are arguing in favor of my point: If no laws were broken, what is the story here?

In December, in the event that GOP electors would need to be counted, GOP electors cast a non-binding vote that was not necessary. Is that the story you all are spun up about?

The story is that in all seven states the Trump administration and their legal team intended to contest - which includes Michigan where Trump lost by 150,000 votes - these fake electors were seated with the transparent purpose of taking the place of duly elected officials on January 6 as outlined in the Eastman memos. They were even coached on ways to misdirect security when they arrived as to not arouse suspicion. At this point everyone-
1. Knows that Trump + hundreds of other actors involved in the coup are traitors, and some of the absolute worst traitors this nation has ever seen.
2. Refuses to educate themselves and still is unaware of what actually transpired on January 6th or
3. Doesn’t care what kind of coup had been planned or what level of sedition took place. There are still many people, I would imagine yourself included, who really don’t care at all and my guess is that you think that you are owning libs and totally triggering them by talking about how great these traitors are.

You win you owned the libs now you can go home congratulations. Do you think if the coup succeeds next time your grandkids will talk about how cool their grandpa was and how he helped ruin democracy? They won’t be able to vote but they’ll know that you made people on the Internet angry. Great job

 

[jmotivator]

The story is that in all seven states the Trump administration and their legal team intended to contest - which includes Michigan where Trump lost by 150,000 votes - these fake electors were seated with the transparent purpose of taking the place of duly elected officials on January 6 as outlined in the Eastman memos. They were even coached on ways to misdirect security when they arrived as to not arouse suspicion. At this point everyone-
1. Knows that Trump + hundreds of other actors involved in the coup are traitors, and some of the absolute worst traitors this nation has ever seen.
2. Refuses to educate themselves and still is unaware of what actually transpired on January 6th or
3. Doesn’t care what kind of coup had been planned or what level of sedition took place. There are still many people, I would imagine yourself included, who really don’t care at all and my guess is that you think that you are owning libs and totally triggering them by talking about how great these traitors are.

You win you owned the libs now you can go home congratulations. Do you think if the coup succeeds next time your grandkids will talk about how cool their grandpa was and how he helped ruin democracy? They won’t be able to vote but they’ll know that you made people on the Internet angry. Great job

THere was no coup. You can try all you want to convince yourself that some folks attempted a coup without firearms... but you really just make yourself into a conspiracy theorist.

And contesting elections isn't illegal.

 

[The AntiDonald]

THere was no coup. You can try all you want to convince yourself that some folks attempted a coup without firearms... but you really just make yourself into a conspiracy theorist.

And contesting elections isn't illegal.

Tell that to the DoJ who has a grand jury seated specifically to investigate the fake elector's plot. If it was all so legal as you say, why is the DoJ even investigating it?

 

[element94]

Traitors.

The US had a traitor for a president.

And he isn't the only one. Everyone that continues to support and lie for him is a Traitor to the United States of America. Cons supporting the con.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Nothing to see here, moving on, there has to be something on FoxNews to help the right defend this.

 

[JasperL]

Again, when they hold a fake vote and then announce it IT ISN'T SECRET.

Nor criminal, nor nefarious..

I'm just acknowledging quotes by people in the Trump campaign. Do you think the WaPo fabricated them? What is your point here? Beat up straw men apparently.

“I must ask for your complete discretion in this process,” wrote Robert Sinners, the campaign’s election operations director for Georgia, the day before the 16 Republicans gathered at the Georgia Capitol to sign certificates declaring themselves duly elected. “Your duties are imperative to ensure the end result — a win in Georgia for President Trump — but will be hampered unless we have complete secrecy and discretion.”

What law was broken? How would that non-binding, unofficial vote "overturn the election"? Do you bother thinking about your stupid accusations before posting them?

It was part of the plan outlined by Eastman. Have you not read the memos? Do you think about your stupid gaslighting efforts before attempting them? The rest of us have read the memos, and we watched Trump push the plan all the way through January 6. We know about the pressure put on Pence to violate the law and the constitution, up to and including the day of the EC counting, Jan. 6.

You don't don't understand how that statement pushes your argument off a cliff, do you? Let me walk you through it....

They were not selected as electors. Since their vote wasn't legally binding, there were no laws broken. They were private citizens with no legal mandate.

Again, I explained that but you're determined to pollute this thread with hackery, MAGA bullshit, and gaslighting. "They were not selected" because Pence ignored the efforts of the WH legal team and TRUMP to break the law and violate the constitution. We all know that attempt failed, but it's only because Pence did his sworn duty. If he'd bowed to the pressure by TRUMP and those working for him, we'd have had a different result.

You know this. You are just determined to carry water for the MAGA effort, trivialize it because it failed, so what is the big deal? After all it was just the POTUS attempting to lawlessly overturn the results of an election. Why should anyone care? Pence did his duty. End of story.

Oh, yeah, that storming of the capitol - hang Pence!, etc. Also no bid deal.

I'm not moving the goal posts. I am pointing out that your foot pounding over this event is pinheaded nonsense, because it is.

Well, you are repeatedly. Look at what I said and what your responses are. It's like you are reading different words than what we can all read. And the only way it's "pinheaded nonsense" is if you ignore all the evidence, which you are doing. It's a sad pathetic effort, but that's what we expect from the MAGA contingent these days. We don't all live in your fact free bubble.

 

[JasperL]

You are arguing in favor of my point: If no laws were broken, what is the story here?

First of all, can you explain how my comment has anything to do with "anti-speech" - whatever the hell that means? I'm just curious what was in your mind. Also, nice that you snipped the rest of my comment that addresses the "story."

Again, you quoted me then ignored the comment to beat the shit out of your straw man. Here's what I typed: "It was "just noise" because Pence and others ultimately decided to follow the law and the constitution. The plot was real, it just failed. Trump was pushing the plot up until the very last possible moment on January 6th as were other GOP and WH leaders. Your attempt to minimize all this is pretty fascinating.

Please demonstrate it wasn't actually a plan. I'd love to see this and how you ignore all the written and other evidence of that plan, and Trump very unambiguously pushing the allegedly non-existent plan all the way through the vote on Jan. 6th. Are you this ignorant of the facts, or just gaslighting us?

 

[JasperL]

THere was no coup. You can try all you want to convince yourself that some folks attempted a coup without firearms... but you really just make yourself into a conspiracy theorist.

And contesting elections isn't illegal.

The plans outlined in the memo were unambiguously illegal. The memo acknowledges this much. We've read the memos, so your feeble gaslighting won't work. If the Pence doesn't hold his ground despite the enormous pressure from Trump on down, the result was a constitutional crisis with the sitting POTUS flouting the law and the constitution to remain in power using nothing but brute force.

You demonstrate your MAGA ass kissing hackery by referring to a plan we all saw play out live, and now have it confirmed including with the written memos, accounts from Pence and those close to him, and much more, as a CT.

Apparently the country is supposed to shrug its shoulders at this effort....because the last line against it, which was Pence, didn't fold to the pressure by POTUS and many others in the GOP. What's the harm in the power structure of the GOP urging lawless efforts to overturn the results of an election? Oh, right, we all know the answer - a constitutional crisis that if successful takes a wrecking ball to our democratic republic and the peaceful transfer of power.

 

[jmotivator]

I'm just acknowledging quotes by people in the Trump campaign. Do you think the WaPo fabricated them? What is your point here? Beat up straw men apparently.

“I must ask for your complete discretion in this process,” wrote Robert Sinners, the campaign’s election operations director for Georgia, the day before the 16 Republicans gathered at the Georgia Capitol to sign certificates declaring themselves duly elected. “Your duties are imperative to ensure the end result — a win in Georgia for President Trump — but will be hampered unless we have complete secrecy and discretion.”

The "secrecy" was in the lead up to the vote, not after the vote was held.. so it wasn't a secret conspiracy. They just didn't want to be interrupted. By the same argument the SCOTUS decisions are secret because deliberations aren't publicized.

But they aren't in fact secret because they make them.. public.

It was part of the plan outlined by Eastman. Have you not read the memos? Do you think about your stupid gaslighting efforts before attempting them? The rest of us have read the memos, and we watched Trump push the plan all the way through January 6. We know about the pressure put on Pence to violate the law and the constitution, up to and including the day of the EC counting, Jan. 6.

You didn't answer the question, I see. What was the crime in this meeting? Is challenging the outcome on an election illegal?

Again, I explained that but you're determined to pollute this thread with hackery, MAGA bullshit, and gaslighting. "They were not selected" because Pence ignored the efforts of the WH legal team and TRUMP to break the law and violate the constitution. We all know that attempt failed, but it's only because Pence did his sworn duty. If he'd bowed to the pressure by TRUMP and those working for him, we'd have had a different result.

LOL!! Even had Pence had voted their way it wouldn't have seated the GOP electors. Pence's vote was to certify the election outcomes, had he not certified them the election challenges would have still existed, and GA appoints its electors, not Pence, so the GA electors wouldn't even change without a court challenge and recount, not a Pence vote.

You know this. You are just determined to carry water for the MAGA effort, trivialize it because it failed, so what is the big deal? After all it was just the POTUS attempting to lawlessly overturn the results of an election. Why should anyone care? Pence did his duty. End of story.

I "carry water" for a sane and non-rabid society where half the country (your side in this case) doesn't lose their collective shit over bogus scandals fueled by the news media and ignorance.

Oh, yeah, that storming of the capitol - hang Pence!, etc. Also no bid deal.

I mean, angry protester say and do a lot of things. We had a year of burning cities, violence and murder by the left and all the Dmeocrats did about that was bail out the offenders. THey were called "mostly peaceful protests".

But unlike the BLM and Antifa riots, the Jan 6th folks didn't even bring firearms... weird, right?

Well, you are repeatedly. Look at what I said and what your responses are. It's like you are reading different words than what we can all read. And the only way it's "pinheaded nonsense" is if you ignore all the evidence, which you are doing. It's a sad pathetic effort, but that's what we expect from the MAGA contingent these days. We don't all live in your fact free bubble.

Your statements are pinhead nonsense because you demostrably either don't understand the basic civics, or you intentionally mislead to try and drum up phony gravitas for this story.

 

[element94]

That's exactly what the Propagandist want the Stupid people to FEEL is happening!...

Think about it ! This happened openly and directly during the certification process!!!!....
So this "SECRECY" BS is stupid ! The State legislators who, saw the Fraud and wanted to legally do something about it, looked in to the
Law to see what could be done !

Go look it up (The Media will not Spoon Feed the Truth), in the past when there was contention about the Certification of an Election, they
sent an "alternative slate of Electoral College Electors" !

The fact that you posted this Propaganda piece, shows that you are buying the Propaganda hook line and sinker!!!.....

Did you ever ask yourself:
Why didn't they do anything about this when it happened, and why do they ONLY put out Stories in the Press???...
(Just like the Phone Call from Trump to the GA Sec of State)

Why then can't you prove it in court, even in front of Trump appointed Judges? I belive it's you who has been successfully indoctrinated.

 

[JasperL]

The "secrecy" was in the lead up to the vote, not after the vote was held.. so it wasn't a secret conspiracy.

Interesting. I pointed that out about 10 times, and now you agree.

You didn't answer the question, I see. What was the crime in this meeting? Is challenging the outcome on an election illegal?

I didn't allege the meeting was a crime. The "crime" was in the plan pushed by Eastman, then urged on Pence by Trump, among many others.

LOL!! Even had Pence had voted their way it wouldn't have seated the GOP electors. Pence's vote was to certify the election outcomes, had he not certified them the election challenges would have still existed, and GA appoints its electors, not Pence, so the GA electors wouldn't even change without a court challenge and recount, not a Pence vote.

Read the memos. The rest of us have read them and we know you're full of shit.

I "carry water" for a sane and non-rabid society where half the country (your side in this case) doesn't lose their collective shit over bogus scandals fueled by the news media and ignorance.

It's a "bogus scandal" that POTUS and those at the highest levels of the WH pushed a lawless attempt to overturn the results of an election? Who knew?

And you say I'm "ignorant" but you don't point out what I don't know, except to gaslight me and demand that I ignore the written evidence of a plan to overturn the election, and ignore the mounds of evidence of Trump pushing that plan up to and including on January 6.

Your statements are pinhead nonsense because you demostrably either don't understand the basic civics, or you intentionally mislead to try and drum up phony gravitas for this story.

What don't I understand about basic civics? Where have I misled, specifically. You've yet to demonstrate anything. All you have are ad hominem attacks and gaslighting.

 

[jmotivator]

Interesting. I pointed that out about 10 times, and now you agree.

THat has been my statement all along. It's not a secret if they had no intention of keeping a secret, which they didn't.

I didn't allege the meeting was a crime. The "crime" was in the plan pushed by Eastman, then urged on Pence by Trump, among many others.

Where is the crime still? The ratification of every election is literally members of Congress voting on whether they believe the election results are valid. Lobbying elected officials to not ratify the election because you believe the vote wasn't valid is not a crime. It's politics.

Read the memos. The rest of us have read them and we know you're full of shit.

I've read them. You are full of shit.

It's a "bogus scandal" that POTUS and those at the highest levels of the WH pushed a lawless attempt to overturn the results of an election? Who knew?

It wasn't "lawless". There is no legal obligation to defend an election that you believe was corrupted. I mean, if that was illegal then every single DP Democrat who bitches about the Electoral College is committing a crime.

And you say I'm "ignorant" but you don't point out what I don't know, except to gaslight me and demand that I ignore the written evidence of a plan to overturn the election, and ignore the mounds of evidence of Trump pushing that plan up to and including on January 6.

No gaslighting on my part. Justr pointing out poinheaded nonsense from the fainting couch crowd that brought us Russiagate.

What don't I understand about basic civics? Where have I misled, specifically. You've yet to demonstrate anything. All you have are ad hominem attacks and gaslighting.

You misrepresent was a Pence vote would have lead to (hint: it wouldn't have seated GOP electors in Georgia)