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Re: Charades

QueerNation said:
Perhaps I may have misjudged him, but it is very clear that he has a big problem with certain aspects of the gay community. Someone who is 'sickened' by gay pride parades does not sound very well-adjusted.
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I'm a white conservative Christian. I'm sickened by Neo-nazis and the KKK. I'm sickened by fascists. I'm sickened by religious extremists.


Does this make me a poorly adjusted self-hater? Or does it just mean that I can look at that which I am part of and see the flaws for what they are?
 
i heard gay people cause anus cancer
 
Re: Tincture

QueerNation said:
Perhaps I got you mixed up with the guy from NYC that recently told me that his many of his best friends were not only gay, but also Christian and he lived a few blocks from WTC and became uncomfortable when he saw a man to man kiss. I frankly don't have the energy to find it. Nor would I spend any time trying to find it. If you want to take back what you said now, I wouldn't believe you because it would seem dishonest for someone to say that the male male kiss makes them uncomfortable and in the next sentence say 'Not Really'. Perhaps you'll enlighten me yet though I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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This has to be one of the strangest posts of all time. You seem to be saying, 'well, you could be right; maybe it wasn't you. And since I was wrong and accused you incorrectly, I'm not going to bother waiting for you to appologize, since I wouldn't believe you anyway.' How about you taking responsibility for accusing the wrong person?
 
Re: Charades

QueerNation said:
Perhaps I may have misjudged him, but it is very clear that he has a big problem with certain aspects of the gay community. Someone who is 'sickened' by gay pride parades does not sound very well-adjusted.
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Perhaps Jallman's issue is with extremists of a group he represents. When extremists become the 'face' of their group, often anyone in the group becomes associated with the values of those extremists. It has nothing to do with judging but everything to do with being judged.
 
Re: Charades

CaptainCourtesy said:
Perhaps Jallman's issue is with extremists of a group he represents. When extremists become the 'face' of their group, often anyone in the group becomes associated with the values of those extremists. It has nothing to do with judging but everything to do with being judged.
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and I might add, that when this group is not defined by ethnicity or other features with the sort of salient qualities easily identifying them to others, the extremists are often the only ones people notice.

An attitude of "Don't ask, don't tell" is down right disasterous as far as image is concerned, for if people do not know the sexuality of others and only form their attitudes through exposure to the most outrageous, they are forming their opinion based upon a select sampling rather than broad range.


Oh, and as far as the comment about extremists becoming the face of the group? THere is an ideological group that shall remain nameless, but begins with an "L", where I feel this to be VERY much the case.
 
Re: Charades

Gardener said:
and I might add, that when this group is not defined by ethnicity or other features with the sort of salient qualities easily identifying them to others, the extremists are often the only ones people notice.

An attitude of "Don't ask, don't tell" is down right disasterous as far as image is concerned, for if people do not know the sexuality of others and only form their attitudes through exposure to the most outrageous, they are forming their opinion based upon a select sampling rather than broad range.


Oh, and as far as the comment about extremists becoming the face of the group? THere is an ideological group that shall remain nameless, but begins with an "L", where I feel this to be VERY much the case.
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No wait, I know this one. L...l...liars? Losers? Okay I give.
 
Re: Charades

Gardener said:
Present company excepted. :2razz:
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You'd best exclude the present company. You're the "L" word too, whether you want to believe it or not.
 
Re: Charades

Kelzie said:
You'd best exclude the present company. You're the "L" word too, whether you want to believe it or not.
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That's supposed to be a secret, K.

I'm just an old school L bemoaning what's happened to the old alma mater.
 
Gardener
That's supposed to be a secret, K.

I'm just an old school L bemoaning what's happened to the old alma mater.
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You said bemoaning :lol:
 
Must all of my little secrets be revealed? I must admit, I have long had much interest in women of a sexual nature.


At least nobody has hit upon latex fetishism yet. That one might put me in a tight squeeze.
 
Re: Tincture

RightatNYU said:
This is me.



This is not.




Take back? What is there to take back? I didn't say whatever it is that you're claiming I did say.

And enlightening you sounds like a much bigger project than I have time for.



So anyone who disagrees with your bigotry automatically dislikes all gay people who speak out against discrimination?

Sorry, unlike you appear to do, I try to at least separate my feelings toward an individual from my feelings toward a group.
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Whatever...
 
Re: Charades

Gardener said:
and I might add, that when this group is not defined by ethnicity or other features with the sort of salient qualities easily identifying them to others, the extremists are often the only ones people notice.

An attitude of "Don't ask, don't tell" is down right disasterous as far as image is concerned, for if people do not know the sexuality of others and only form their attitudes through exposure to the most outrageous, they are forming their opinion based upon a select sampling rather than broad range.


Oh, and as far as the comment about extremists becoming the face of the group? THere is an ideological group that shall remain nameless, but begins with an "L", where I feel this to be VERY much the case.
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What do you have against lesbians? And what would cause you to label with such broad strokes?
 
You know the difference between jallman and QueerNation led me to a thought.

I was really apathetic about homosexuality. I don't really deal with it on a day to day basis, so its kind of out of sight, out of mind. But my preconcieved notions of the homosexual community was that of all gays are always angry, when not shopping or dancing.
Well with some of the debates and posts jallman has made, I thought "Well I guess I was wrong. Maybe the gay community isn't full of these kinds of people, and maybe they all aren't so angry.
Then when he posted what he did about the Pride parades, I was suprised. It was like a christian being embarrased by Pat Robertson( a good thing ). I thought, if the gay community were to approach their civil rights in the manner like jallman had presented, prehaps their wouldn't be so much backlash.

But then Queernation came along, and reinforced the negative stereotypes that made me apathetic towards these issues in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I wish nobody any harm, and I always support someones right to choose their partner, but if I am in a conversation with someone, and they say " Why do these gays feel like they have to cram their sexuality down our throat" I am not going to disagree with them.

Thats just my point of view as a straight, white, non-christian male between the ages of 18-34.
 
WI Crippler said:
You know the difference between jallman and QueerNation led me to a thought.

I was really apathetic about homosexuality. I don't really deal with it on a day to day basis, so its kind of out of sight, out of mind. But my preconcieved notions of the homosexual community was that of all gays are always angry, when not shopping or dancing.
Well with some of the debates and posts jallman has made, I thought "Well I guess I was wrong. Maybe the gay community isn't full of these kinds of people, and maybe they all aren't so angry.
Then when he posted what he did about the Pride parades, I was suprised. It was like a christian being embarrased by Pat Robertson( a good thing ). I thought, if the gay community were to approach their civil rights in the manner like jallman had presented, prehaps their wouldn't be so much backlash.

But then Queernation came along, and reinforced the negative stereotypes that made me apathetic towards these issues in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I wish nobody any harm, and I always support someones right to choose their partner, but if I am in a conversation with someone, and they say " Why do these gays feel like they have to cram their sexuality down our throat" I am not going to disagree with them.

Thats just my point of view as a straight, white, non-christian male between the ages of 18-34.
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Very interesting: and not in a good way. I'm glad that you at least were honest about your bigoted nature. If I notice someone who would pass judgement on an entire class of people based on the written words of two members of that group, (as you've seem to have done in your above statement), I would naturally assume such a person is incredibly shallow and most likely doesn't deserve even a second thought.

With that said, I don't intend on 'cramming' anything down your throat, including my sex, or sexual orientation.

Have a happy life! And try to get out some and meet people before you pass judgments upon them, you may find it a very mind-opening experience.
 
Re: Charades

QueerNation said:
What do you have against lesbians? And what would cause you to label with such broad strokes?
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I was not talking about lesbians.

It isn't the only word that starts with "L" you know.
 
Re: Charades

So...Why do gay men (and women I guess, though I haven't seen much of that) choose to be flamboyant? It always struck me as being counter-productive. Promoting stereotypes and all that.
 
Re: Charades

Thelost1 said:
So...Why do gay men (and women I guess, though I haven't seen much of that) choose to be flamboyant? It always struck me as being counter-productive. Promoting stereotypes and all that.
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Some cannot help it. I don't think that some choose one way or another; it's just part of his or her personality.

I see a big difference in being flamboyant by nature and trying to embody the stereotype to shock and offend.
 
QueerNation
Very interesting: and not in a good way. 1. So, this really got you Attention or peeked your Curiosity? I'm glad that you at least were honest about your bigoted nature. 2. Seemed like he was just honest about how you are...nothing more, nothing less. If I notice someone who would pass judgement on an entire class of people He didn't you simpleton... based on the written words of two members of that group That is just your inabilty to think coherently acting up... , (as you've seem to have done in your above statement) uhhh Nope , I would naturally assume such a person is incredibly shallow Well, that would be you if we really got down to it :2razz: and most likely doesn't deserve even a second thought. Yet you gave one...hmmmm....

With that said, I don't intend on 'cramming' anything down your throat, Thank goodness, this is not a porn site including my sex, or sexual orientation. Since that is what defines you as a being, What else do you have then?

Have a happy life! Sarcasm...very clever! And try to get out some and meet people before you pass judgments upon them Perhaps you are just unable to comprehend Insight? Yep, it would seem so... , you may find it a very mind-opening experience.
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Perhaps if you did not engage people with blinders of hate, you might find the open discussion that you make impossible? But that would be conter active to your agenda, so we should just toss that out the window.
 
Gardener said:
Oh, and as far as the comment about extremists becoming the face of the group? THere is an ideological group that shall remain nameless, but begins with an "L", where I feel this to be VERY much the case.
QueerNation said:
What do you have against lesbians? And what would cause you to label with such broad strokes?
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Gardener said:
I was not talking about lesbians.

It isn't the only word that starts with "L" you know.
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Well, what've you got against Lutherans, then?
Or wait, wait... I know: you're talking about Landlords, right?
Lawyers? Laundresses? Lifeguards? Lumberjacks? Litterbugs? :confused:
 
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