• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)[W:70:96]

Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

opendebate said:
Some people struggle with subtleties. I think it's an IQ thing.
Click to expand...

Or some people just know what is going on in the Zimmerman case. They don't see race baiting as a solution to something that in this case was not a problem or issue.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

So you got nothing to refute what I said? OK. I will take that as an admission of defeat.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Dapper Andy said:
Maybe not if the black person wronged is a Republican but otherwise yes, always.

And it's getting foolish now. The most accurate quote I saw about Zimmerman's defending himself was something along the lines of only in America can a Hispanic man shoot a black man and a white man gets blamed.
Click to expand...




That is kinda funny :lol: but some Latinos can be just as prejudiced as some white people...and that is a fact....
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Juanita said:
That is kinda funny :lol: but some Latinos can be just as prejudiced as some white people...and that is a fact....
Click to expand...

And that has what to do with anything I said? So what? Some blacks, whites, Asians etc can be racist. This again has nothing at all to do with anything I said. Nor does it refute anything I said with a single fact or anything else.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Juanita said:
That is kinda funny :lol: but some Latinos can be just as prejudiced as some white people...and that is a fact....
Click to expand...

No kidding. I certainly didn't think prejudice was limited to people with white skin.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Black Manta said:
Good black people vs bad black people? That's not racism at all, that is a judgement call normal people make everyday. Has nothing at all to do with "rose colored glasses" or any such nonsense. Those "assholes who always get away" could mean anyone, anyone at all but specifically criminals. Since we know George was well liked in his community, grew up around black siblings and fought for the rights of a homeless black man, we can assume as did the state department, and the prosecuting attorney's, race had nothing at all to do with this.

The rest is well just your opinion. Has no relevance at all, none.
Click to expand...



How about "preconceived" bias.. A young black man in a suit is OK, but a young black man in a hoodie is not..... bias equals prejudice.....
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

opendebate said:
Some people struggle with subtleties. I think it's an IQ thing.
Click to expand...



I do believe you are correct..:2wave:
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Juanita said:
How about "preconceived" bias.. A young black man in a suit is OK, but a young black man in a hoodie is not..... bias equals prejudice.....
Click to expand...

Again what evidence do you have to show George Zimmerman, did anything racially motivated? You don't because again because there is none. 0, zilch, nada... nothing to show this at all. Unless you have evidence again the State Department or prosecutors missed?
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Black Manta said:
Or some people just know what is going on in the Zimmerman case. They don't see race baiting as a solution to something that in this case was not a problem or issue.
Click to expand...



Or some people who just know what was going on in Zimmerman's psyche..... They don't see that a dead teenager is a problem or issue...
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Juanita said:
Or some people who just know what was going on in Zimmerman's psyche.....
Click to expand...

And who would these people be? Because unless they are psychic, that would be an out and out lie. Again evidence shows no racism. I notice you continue to avoid that little factoid?

Juanita said:
They don't see that a dead teenager is a problem or issue...
Click to expand...

No they see a dead criminal who committed an aggravated assault on an individual who defended himself within the bounds of the law.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Black Manta said:
And that has what to do with anything I said? So what? Some blacks, whites, Asians etc can be racist. This again has nothing at all to do with anything I said. Nor does it refute anything I said with a single fact or anything else.
Click to expand...




Gee you're right--it has absolutely nothing to do with anything you said----because I was responding to Dapper Andy...Get your panties out of a knot....
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Dapper Andy said:
No kidding. I certainly didn't think prejudice was limited to people with white skin.
Click to expand...



Well, I'm just so relieved that you didn't think that....:roll:
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Juanita said:
Gee you're right--it has absolutely nothing to do with anything you said----because I was responding to Dapper Andy...Get your panties out of a knot....
Click to expand...

You have basically implied I am an "Uncle Tom" and done nothing to defend your position. So I am still waiting for you to show how Zimmerman racially profiled Martin or how race had anything at all to do with the case.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Black Manta said:
Again what evidence do you have to show George Zimmerman, did anything racially motivated? You don't because again because there is none. 0, zilch, nada... nothing to show this at all. Unless you have evidence again the State Department or prosecutors missed?
Click to expand...



The jurers looked at the evidence and saw what they wanted to see....I was convinced they were wrong, and became even more convinced when some of them spoke out after the trial... GZ "got away with murder"...simple as that....but we are not here to retry the case, but to discuss racial bias....
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

I
Black Manta said:
And who would these people be? Because unless they are psychic, that would be an out and out lie. Again evidence shows no racism. I notice you continue to avoid that little factoid?

No they see a dead criminal who committed an aggravated assault on an individual who defended himself within the bounds of the law.[/QUOTE



Were you there? Are you a psychologist? I am not going to go over this case again....My belief is my belief and your beliefs are yours...The jury was WRONG.....
Click to expand...
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Black Manta said:
Or some people just know what is going on in the Zimmerman case. They don't see race baiting as a solution to something that in this case was not a problem or issue.
Click to expand...

I was just being funny, Don't take it too seriously.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Juanita said:
The jurers looked at the evidence and saw what they wanted to see....I was convinced they were wrong, and became even more convinced when some of them spoke out after the trial... GZ "got away with murder"...simple as that....but we are not here to retry the case, but to discuss racial bias....
Click to expand...

So you have no evidence that Zimmerman racially profiled Martin, and no evidence the case had anything to do with race.

Thanks for your honesty.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Juanita said:
No they see a dead criminal who committed an aggravated assault on an individual who defended himself within the bounds of the law.

Were you there? Are you a psychologist? I am not going to go over this case again....My belief is my belief and your beliefs are yours...The jury was WRONG.....
Click to expand...

I am not asking you what you believe. I am asking you what real world evidence you are basing this opinion on? You stated it as fact, and now you are saying it is just an opinion? Mine is not "opinion" it is based on the facts of the case.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Black Manta said:
You have basically implied I am an "Uncle Tom" and done nothing to defend your position. So I am still waiting for you to show how Zimmerman racially profiled Martin or how race had anything at all to do with the case.
Click to expand...



You really do relish that term' don't you? Do you consider that term as your badge of honor? I, along with half of the world, do not have to defend our position....The Hispanic jurer did it for us-"-GZ got away with murder". What part of that don't you understand?
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Juanita said:
You really do relish that term' don't you? Do you consider that term as your badge of honor? I, along with half of the world, do not have to defend our position....The Hispanic jurer did it for us-"-GZ got away with murder". What part of that don't you understand?
Click to expand...

Relish the term? It is bordering on hate speech and you somehow think I am not offended by it or relish it? I have nothing else to say about that.

Yes you do have to defend your position. You stated it as fact here and that is not what the evidence says. One juror also did not convict him or cause a hung jury, what does this tell you? I understand it completely, of course I don't scream "racism" at the drop of a hat either so maybe my standards are too strict?
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Moderator's Warning:
Moderation has occurred. Stay on topic, which is not each other, or there will be more.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Fisher said:
It is not just because of race. We make reasoned guesses based on a combination of factors. A black v. a white; young v. older; the way they dress; the expression on their face; the way they carry themselves; are the known or unfamiliar faces. Put enough of those combinations together and I would maintain that blacks will reach "thug" status in most minds a lot sooner than a similarly situated white kid.
Click to expand...
Of course it's not just about race. My point applies to all sorts of other characteristics anyway. They're all stereotyping, all based on at best imperfect assumptions and so all flawed.

People will assume that people of a certain age, gender, (apparent) race and appearance will rob, rape or murder them at the first opportunity and most of the time, those assumptions will be wrong. I know because I've made the same assumptions myself. It's a natural instinct but that doesn't mean we should blindly follow it.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Josie said:
Interesting how the people who say they want "an honest conversation about race" usually begin with a dishonest premise. The very act of connecting race or racism to this case in particular is dishonest and soils the entire conversation.
Click to expand...

funny, most of the people who start these kinds of threads don't really want an honest conversation about race...they just want people to agree with them.
 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Juanita said:
How about "preconceived" bias.. A young black man in a suit is OK, but a young black man in a hoodie is not..... bias equals prejudice.....
Click to expand...

Yeah, kind of like my bias when I see this comparison. Both young white men, but at first glance, I would hire the one who is well-dressed, over the one with the tats.



 
Re: Facing Reality: Race Matters (questioning justice in the Travon Martin case)

Juanita said:
Or some people who just know what was going on in Zimmerman's psyche..... They don't see that a dead teenager is a problem or issue...
Click to expand...
I think it is a tragic problem and one of Martin's making. He made a grievous bad decision to attack George and sadly paid for that fatal mistake with his life. Life and consequences happens.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom