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F.B.I. says it doesn't need warrant to use drones

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The FBI has told Congress it does not need to get a warrant to conduct surveillance with drones, in a letter laying out some of the top federal law enforcement agency’s policies for how it uses unmanned aerial vehicles.

In a July 19 letter to Sen. Rand Paul, Stephen D. Kelly, assistant director for the FBI’s congressional liaison office, said the agency has used drones in 10 instances, including twice for “national security” cases and eight times for criminal cases. The FBI authorized the use of drones in three other criminal cases but didn’t deploy them.

Then, in a follow-up letter Mr. Paul released Monday, Mr. Kelly said they don’t believe they ever need to obtain a warrant to conduct drone surveillance as long as it’s done within guidelines.
FBI says it doesn't need warrant to use drones - Washington Times

Though Senator Paul is ostracisized for his contrarian views, we, as a people need more members of the Congress and Senate to stick their heads up and raise their voices for us and the Constitution, and not just shimmy along being a Yes Man to the system.

Drones in America is a terrible idea. We don't need 20,000 of them flying around in a decade or two, let alone, being operated by the government and police in our skies. Vote 'no' if you're ever given the chance about drones.
 

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Surely I cannot be the only one concerned about the fact a Senator and Presidential hopeful seems to have absolutely no knowledge of the laws regarding drone surveillance...
 

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^ More support for a totalitarian police state? Do you have any exceptions?
 

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^ More support for a totalitarian police state? Do you have any exceptions?

I fear the USA has trapped itself in bad money, bad policy, bad gov't, and the hole may be so deep that even if we stop digging it won't help. I truly worry about Corporatism. All of us trapped by Big Energy, Big Banking, and the Big Military/Industrial/Corporate complex.
 

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I fear the USA has trapped itself in bad money, bad policy, bad gov't, and the hole may be so deep that even if we stop digging it won't help. I truly worry about Corporatism. All of us trapped by Big Energy, Big Banking, and the Big Military/Industrial/Corporate complex.
Thanks for the rosy picture Dave. :)
 

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Surely I cannot be the only one concerned about the fact a Senator and Presidential hopeful seems to have absolutely no knowledge of the laws regarding drone surveillance...
It's possible

LaRouche hopes to be president, but he's full-on bat **** crazy and has no chance of actually becoming president, so I don't worry about him either.
 

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He means you clearly enjoy the idea of being a slave to a totalitarian government....

I don't know, but it's implied that this is a common expression of your beliefs.

But, I for one agree with you.

I think we should not have the right to speak our minds, the government should tell us what to think and believe, that they need to disarm everyone, the government needs open access to our homes at any time, we should have to answer any question even if the answer is incriminating, etc...
 

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FBI says it doesn't need warrant to use drones - Washington Times

Though Senator Paul is ostracisized for his contrarian views, we, as a people need more members of the Congress and Senate to stick their heads up and raise their voices for us and the Constitution, and not just shimmy along being a Yes Man to the system.

Drones in America is a terrible idea. We don't need 20,000 of them flying around in a decade or two, let alone, being operated by the government and police in our skies. Vote 'no' if you're ever given the chance about drones.
Of course that's what they say. They'll claim to have whatever power they want to use at the time.
 

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Do I need a warrant to put a CCTV cam in my business? Does the govt need a warrant to put one in a courtroom, or other govt building?

Does a cop need a warrant to walk around and look at things?
 

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I really don't see the issue with drones. They don't do anything that conventional aircraft can't, except cost phenomenally less to operate.
 

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FBI says it doesn't need warrant to use drones - Washington Times

Though Senator Paul is ostracisized for his contrarian views, we, as a people need more members of the Congress and Senate to stick their heads up and raise their voices for us and the Constitution, and not just shimmy along being a Yes Man to the system.

Drones in America is a terrible idea. We don't need 20,000 of them flying around in a decade or two, let alone, being operated by the government and police in our skies. Vote 'no' if you're ever given the chance about drones.
Though I am not thrilled by this one I would say they are probably correct as per precedent. There is nothing illegal about putting surveillance equipment like cameras in public places. You do not have any legitimate expectation of privacy outdoors. So flying cameras are not going to really violate that. Perhaps you can tell us why observations that could be made by camera, plane, helicopter, or even the law enforcement person themselves without a warrant would need a warrant because you used a drone?
 

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He means you clearly enjoy the idea of being a slave to a totalitarian government....

I don't know, but it's implied that this is a common expression of your beliefs.

But, I for one agree with you.

I think we should not have the right to speak our minds, the government should tell us what to think and believe, that they need to disarm everyone, the government needs open access to our homes at any time, we should have to answer any question even if the answer is incriminating, etc...
perhaps I am unfamiliar with drones, but how do they get through your closed front door when police cannot? This is not the NSA spying through your computer or phone, this is putting a drone in the air like a helicopter, and i am pretty sure they do not fly into your house.
 

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Of course that's what they say. They'll claim to have whatever power they want to use at the time.
Maybe you can explain to us the difference of a drone flying over head with a camera or a helicopter doing it. Armed drones are a bit different in their purpose, but drones which are merely used for surveillance are pretty much just a more technical version of what we do now. When you do something in a public place outside of a closed and sealed area you have no legitimate expectation of privacy as per the law. What you deluded yourself into thinking about your privacy is a completely different issue.
 

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It's depressing but drones are just flying cameras. Have you been watching the proliferation of cameras?

When your TV watches you, they'll have crossed the line:roll:

Ignorance Is Strenth
 

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It's depressing but drones are just flying cameras. Have you been watching the proliferation of cameras?

When your TV watches you, they'll have crossed the line:roll:

Ignorance Is Strenth
That's already happening - TV receiver boxes too.
 

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perhaps I am unfamiliar with drones, but how do they get through your closed front door when police cannot? This is not the NSA spying through your computer or phone, this is putting a drone in the air like a helicopter, and i am pretty sure they do not fly into your house.
It doesn't. It's a glorified RC plane (or helicopter depending on the model) with a camera in it. Using them to monitor activity on the borders and highways would actually reduce the costs associated with manned aircraft that already take on these mundane roles, and could very possibly yield superior results.
 

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Maybe you can explain to us the difference of a drone flying over head with a camera or a helicopter doing it. Armed drones are a bit different in their purpose, but drones which are merely used for surveillance are pretty much just a more technical version of what we do now. When you do something in a public place outside of a closed and sealed area you have no legitimate expectation of privacy as per the law. What you deluded yourself into thinking about your privacy is a completely different issue.
I have reduced expectation to privacy in public due to the inability to control photon scattering. But it's not zero. Just because government has abused power in the past doesn't mean that it's ok to continue along the path.
 

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I really don't see the issue with drones. They don't do anything that conventional aircraft can't, except cost phenomenally less to operate.
An airplane can't look through your window. A drone can.
 

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I have reduced expectation to privacy in public due to the inability to control photon scattering. But it's not zero. Just because government has abused power in the past doesn't mean that it's ok to continue along the path.
sell make a new argument.
 

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He means you clearly enjoy the idea of being a slave to a totalitarian government....

I don't know, but it's implied that this is a common expression of your beliefs.

But, I for one agree with you.

I think we should not have the right to speak our minds, the government should tell us what to think and believe, that they need to disarm everyone, the government needs open access to our homes at any time, we should have to answer any question even if the answer is incriminating, etc...
Oh, I understood what he was trying to say. I was just wondering how delusional a person would have to be to think my comment had anything to do with a totalitarian government.
 

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FBI says it doesn't need warrant to use drones - Washington Times

Though Senator Paul is ostracisized for his contrarian views, we, as a people need more members of the Congress and Senate to stick their heads up and raise their voices for us and the Constitution, and not just shimmy along being a Yes Man to the system.

Drones in America is a terrible idea. We don't need 20,000 of them flying around in a decade or two, let alone, being operated by the government and police in our skies. Vote 'no' if you're ever given the chance about drones.
The issue isn't about drones, it's that you don't need a warrant for helicopter surveillance in the first place. The drone is just another tool, it's just a machine. Mistaking technology as the problem instead of our overly compliant justice system is a cardinal error. We've given incredible latitude to the police when it comes to surveillance and the need to acquire warrants. That is where the problem lies. The argument is diluted when it turns into an anti-drone argument which to be honest just sounds like neo-luddism.
 

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Ahh yes, but they are Obama drones.
The black man in the white house is spying on you.
He is monitoring the porn you watch and he is watching you pick up the dog poop in your back yard.
Be afraid ... be VERY afraid...
Your freedoms are almost all gone!


sarc/
 

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perhaps I am unfamiliar with drones, but how do they get through your closed front door when police cannot? This is not the NSA spying through your computer or phone, this is putting a drone in the air like a helicopter, and i am pretty sure they do not fly into your house.
You are aware that there are frequencies in the spectrum that would "see" through walls... PLUS the NSA is listening to everything you do...

So, why bother?? Let's just go back to serfdom, scrap the constitution and all vestiges of freedom, and clearly alot of people will be much happier. So long as you get to keep your video games, sports games and or alcohol, what else does a person need??

Oh, and I almost forgot, there are drones that are about the size of a dragonfly, some smaller, that COULD get into your house and most would likely not be able to tell the difference...
 
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