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You people amaze me. Trying to say this guy is "right wing" or "Christian" is simply stupid. Whether left or right, once a person steps this deep into extremism, they are an extremist, nothing less, nothing more.
I have seen some even say this killer has no mental issues. Let's run a simple test. People who are not ****ed up in the head don't kill nearly a hundred people. Is it an excuse for what he did? Of course not.
I see the police being criticized as well. The country has 40 murders a year. I doubt they have mass murders annually. I also doubt that the entire police force is involved in those 40 murders. The police more than likely had no idea of what to do or how to start doing it.
Seriously people, this is a tragedy brought on by what looks to be a single deranged man. Sure, in the mind of the murderer this was politically motivated, but those of us who are a tad more sane need not grab that morsel and start using it to bash each over the head with ideology, lest we do end up that insane.
We have people who made millions while destroying the economy, which threw millions out of work and into poverty.
And then were rewarded by the government with even more money. Maybe Norway can give this guy a medal.
I get your point, but I don't buy the whole "they must be deranged or crazy". Most of the times, these people are very rational. The problem is that they are sociopaths, lacking empathy and compassion. That condition is, IMO, far more common than most people realize
We have people who made millions while destroying the economy, which threw millions out of work and into poverty. Some have lost their lives and many have even lost their lives. Thousands die every year from lack of health care, and a huge segment of the population is just fine with that.
The "mental issue" this man has is not uncommon; He merely took it to the extreme.
A man was driving and suddenly the right front wheel fell off. The driver retrieved the wheel and as he was trying to figure out what to do he noticed a fence, with a sign proclaiming the place was for those with mental issues.
A man on the other side of the fence walked up to the driver and told the driver that if it was him, he would remove one lug nut from the other three wheels, put the offending wheel back on, and get to a place to buy more lug nuts.
The driver was impressed and tole the patient that the idea was brilliant and then asked since he was so smart why was he in that place.
The patient replied, "Hell Mister, I'm just crazy, I'm not stupid."
Knowing what to do in that situation does not mean the man inside the fence is not psychotic. He may be hearing voices, etc. Even psychotics can be rational about most things. So far, there is no evidence of psychosis in this mad bomber; just violent sociopathy
I think we're arguing past each other a bit, due to your use of the words "deranged" and "crazy" which are poorly defined words commonly used to describe people who's thinking is much different (and scarier) than ours. I prefer terms like "mentally ill", "emotionally disordered", "sociopath", "psychotic" etc which are more clearly defined.
You will discover that I tend to avoid arguing semantics because it detracts from the conversation. The actions taken by this man are clearly outside the norm and solidly in the realm of extremism. Whether or not the man had drool running down his chin , he has a head full of bad wiring, or he would not have taken it to such extremes.
Having said that, I do not feel it is a valid defense tactic.
He is a terrorist and calling him anything else than that is disrespectful to his victims and their families.
LOL you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
1). The kids went there because they are politically active in the Labour Party youth wing.
2). It was the kids that wanted to go, not the parents sending them.
Exactly!! We have a society that rewards sociopathy. The only mistake this guy made was using violence instead of finance.
And for those who are going to jump to conclusions, and accuse me of justifying what this guy did, I have one response:
It's wrong to use any means, violent or not, to kill people
so if a policeman or armed civilian had been able to shoot this scum bag early in his attack that would have been wrong?
so if a policeman or armed civilian had been able to shoot this scum bag early in his attack that would have been wrong?
I thought about it.
HELL YES!
I think sangha is wrong 99% of the time but once again, you have to take the entire context of the complete discussion in and not just one post. His was a rare valid reply.
So you would accept a society where everyone walks around armed to the teeth?
opinion noted, not shared
there is nothing wrong with shooting people if the right people get shot
I thought much the same thing. It would have been great in this instance if somebody had a gun and took out this jerk really early on. I don't think any rational person would prefer scores of innocent people dead rather than this one right wing extremist.
But lets then think through the implications of that for a moment. Yesterday in Texas somebody killed five innocent people at a roller skating rink because of a family dispute. Its getting very little media play as its just another mass gun killing and we all know where those stories end up anyways.
Do we want to live in society where the alternative to this sort of thing is everybody walks around armed to the teeth?
I am sure some here will answer loudly and proudly HELL YES. Is there not some other alternative? But think about it......... and then respond.
So you would accept a society where everyone walks around armed to the teeth?
So you would accept a society where everyone walks around armed to the teeth?
I am a native Texan. I grew up with guns in every corner in the house, a shotgun and deer rifle in the gunrack of my truck and a S&W .38 in the glove compartment. And I don't seem to remember nearly as many attrocities back then as I am seeing now.
They just legalized concealed carry here in WI. If I don't get grandfathered in, because I am a native Texan and Texans are instinctively proficient with firearms, I will have to take their class before being licensed to carry. So, thinking my Texas ancestry wouldn't really impress them, I signed up for the class. :mrgreen:
If I had it my way, guns would have never been invented to begin with. But it is what it is and you can't get toothpaste back into the tube. If these gangsta, punk-ass scum are gonna pack, so am I. I have a very large hand so that means I get to pack a very large pistol. Happy days are here again!
Lady: Sir, that is a very big gun you carry what kind is it?
Texan: It's a .45 ma'am.
Lady: Why do you feel the need to carry a .45?
Texan: Because they don't make a .46.
:shoot
I am a native Texan. I grew up with guns in every corner in the house, a shotgun and deer rifle in the gunrack of my truck and a S&W .38 in the glove compartment. And I don't seem to remember nearly as many attrocities back then as I am seeing now.
They just legalized concealed carry here in WI. If I don't get grandfathered in, because I am a native Texan and Texans are instinctively proficient with firearms, I will have to take their class before being licensed to carry. So, thinking my Texas ancestry wouldn't really impress them, I signed up for the class. :mrgreen:
If I had it my way, guns would have never been invented to begin with. But it is what it is and you can't get toothpaste back into the tube. If these gangsta, punk-ass scum are gonna pack, so am I. I have a very large hand so that means I get to pack a very large pistol. Happy days are here again!
Lady: Sir, that is a very big gun you carry what kind is it?
Texan: It's a .45 ma'am.
Lady: Why do you feel the need to carry a .45?
Texan: Because they don't make a .46.
:shoot
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