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The admin should just refuse to follow a judges order, the law gives judges no authority to question the president’s judgement here, so trump should order it built post haste and then simply pardon the officials in charge of any contempt orders
Not really. We have 3 branches of Govt. and the other 2 equal parts always have some say over what a President does. I'm amazed that so many of you think Trump was elected dictator. He's not.
Dangerous precedent, bad idea.
For everyone who bitched about Obama using executive order(I did) to push through some of his agenda, this is your put up or shut up moment...
Dangerous precedent, bad idea.
For everyone who bitched about Obama using executive order(I did) to push through some of his agenda, this is your put up or shut up moment...
It depends on what the executive order is for and what the legal basis for it was. The emergency declaration to build border fencing is very sound legally as long as an ideologically liberal judge doesn’t block it for political reasons.
Orders Obama did that were legal (but I think inadvisable) was ending don’t ask don’t tell, but orders like DACA and DAPA were clearly not
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He's going to get heat from every conceivable direction if he goes this route. It'll get tied up by the courts right out of the blocks. It will likely get upheld by SCOTUS in the end but that might be a year or more down the road. Once that hurdle is cleared, it'll get tied up in the states for a variety of different reasons. Environmental impact and eminent domain are just a couple of things I can come up with off the top of my head.
And then there's the big one... if he does somehow navigate all of that and manages, by executive fia,t to build the thing before he leaves office, the next Democratic President will just tear it down by executive fiat. Bet your life on it.
This is a terrible idea.
He's going to get heat from every conceivable direction if he goes this route. It'll get tied up by the courts right out of the blocks. It will likely get upheld by SCOTUS in the end but that might be a year or more down the road. Once that hurdle is cleared, it'll get tied up in the states for a variety of different reasons. Environmental impact and eminent domain are just a couple of things I can come up with off the top of my head.
And then there's the big one... if he does somehow navigate all of that and manages, by executive fiat to build the thing before he leaves office, the next Democratic President will just tear it down by executive fiat. Bet your life on it.
This is a terrible idea.
He's going to get heat from every conceivable direction if he goes this route. It'll get tied up by the courts right out of the blocks. It will likely get upheld by SCOTUS in the end but that might be a year or more down the road. Once that hurdle is cleared, it'll get tied up in the states for a variety of different reasons. Environmental impact and eminent domain are just a couple of things I can come up with off the top of my head.
And then there's the big one... if he does somehow navigate all of that and manages, by executive fiat to build the thing before he leaves office, the next Democratic President will just tear it down by executive fiat. Bet your life on it.
This is a terrible idea.
Yip when a Democrat gets into office it will come down faster than the solar panels on the Whitehouse when Reagan moved in.
And then every president from here on out will do the same thing if they can t achieve campaign promise's through normal procedure.
Trump is the master of the deal, maybe he should read his own damn book.
Trump will have a difficult time convincing a federal judge that a CRISIS! exists on the southern border.
I missed where judges were running the country and not the POTUS.
I missed where trump is running the country, so far all I have seen are criminals scrambling to jump of the trump Titanic and try to stay out of jail.
This particular power grab is is even turning some hard core Conservatives stomachs...
How can he declare a crisis when border crossings are down and for two years it wasn't a crisis with a REPUBLICAN congress?
EDIT: I don't think even his new founded SCOTUS boys would rule in his favor on that one.
The admin should just refuse to follow a judges order, the law gives judges no authority to question the president’s judgement here, so trump should order it built post haste and then simply pardon the officials in charge of any contempt orders
I think it is BS, Trump needs a way out of the corner, now will Pelosi - Trump reach an agreement ?
Bill to be entered/ or later the wall Law Away payment plan, to be defined later?
The wall will never, ever be built. So we're just waiting for Trump to run screaming from the burning building. I don't see any way out for him except to try the executive order and then blame the courts.
Not a bad plan, except that a president cannot pardon contempt orders.The admin should just refuse to follow a judges order, the law gives judges no authority to question the president’s judgement here, so trump should order it built post haste and then simply pardon the officials in charge of any contempt orders
I think he is reaching out to get a face saving deal???
Trump will have a difficult time convincing a federal judge that a CRISIS! exists on the southern border.
Not in this case. Congress gave the Executive sole discretion to enter into contracts he deems serve a national defense interest. All he has to do by law is notify a committee in writing if the amount is greater than $25 million. It’s similar to war powers and we don’t have unhinged cries of dictatorship when the President decides to bomb the hell out of somebody without a declaration of war from Congress. In that case too, it only requires notification not consent.
So you believe that this President is an expert on border security and what constitutes an "emergency" and no one dare question him? That does not sound right to me. Trump is not an expert on anything and has no qualifications to be either.
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