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Give me a few examples of insurgencies or guerrilla movements that were ever successfully suppressed through the use of brute force, besides the one I mentioned above.
That's true. AQ definitely hasn't "won" in any sense of the word given what OBL's original vision was. But neither are they easily defeated.
Fair enough; and you're right - I didn't say exactly what I thought to say. So my apologies for that. This isn't really something I'm going to get to passionate about, so I can concede that point to you.
The Viet Cong, the Japanese occupation of Vietnam, Korea and China, German ocupation of most of Europe. How many more do you want?
Just think of how, "al Qaeda", would be a dirty word in the ME, had we had them with the appropriate level of violence.
This is illegal in Germany, today.
Care to take a guess as to why?
Apart from perhaps the VC, I don't think any of the others qualify as "successfully suppressed." The Koreans and Chinese fought back, as did the Free French and Yugoslav Partisans, etc. None of them were ever really eliminated and remained problematic till the end.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, could you explain?
Because we inflicted so much death and destruction on the German people, any and all Nazi symbolism is now illegal in Germany.
And, without allied forces, they wouldn't have ever survived.
Do you have any actual input? If not; then carry on.
I have offered input. The fact you don't like it does not really matter.
We forgot how to fight a war after World War II.
We started fighting wars "humanely", which is used against us by the opposition, which doesn't give a crap.
When you fight a war, you bomb the crap out of everything in sight and kill tons of people. You use the same reasoning as when we hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then, you win. We don't do that anymore, which is why we don't win anymore.
Great man Rummy, and his bit about not wanting to be in the same foxhole as Clinton, Kerry, Biden is a kind way of saying they're treasonous, politically motivated back stabbers.
How the left voted to send troops for political expediency, and then when things got tough...
Should prove an interesting read, especially for the Leftists here and abroad.
You offered erroneous input.
There are two options for actors in a war. 1) they can officially surrender, because they lost their will and means to carry on the fight, or 2) they can just cease to exist, because they've lost the will and means to carry on the war.
Really? Are you claiming that politics did not figure heavily into WW2 strategy?
I think we just forgot what constitutes a valid reason for going to war.
And, what would that be? Wait until things are totally out of control and the war costs tens of millions of lives?
How about a country that presents an actual threat to us?
Remember, as new angery people join the fight, angry over what has been done to those they love and what they care for, having them lose the will is more difficult than beating a nation. How long have Israel and Palistine been going at it? To borrow from somethng I read once, if force alone could end this type of thing, Israel would have ended that conflict long ago. Perhaps sometimes you have to be smart more than powerful.
Even, if we wait until things are totally out of control and the war costs tens of millions of lives?
That's what we did prior to WW2 and nearly a half million Americans died. Now, hindsight being 20/20, do you think it was a good call to wait?
You're comparing Iraq to Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan... Those countries, even with their technology of that day, could have still beaten the Iraq you beat in 2003 :coffeepap
They were no threat to you. Where's the WMD's?
One thing's for sure, Iraq will never, ever be a threat to us, again.
One thing's for sure, Iraq will never, ever be a threat to us, again.
They were never going to be to start with. So, we spent billions, spent thousnads of lives, tens of thousands of civilian lives (some 100,000), to face the little more than we were facing to begin with. Now that's what I call a great statergy. Really smart stuff. :roll:
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