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[Erod]

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Hillary Soprano for President.

 

[OpportunityCost]

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OC, you made a false claim about the Clinton Foundation. I proved it false. You simply repeated your false claim. That says more about you than the CF. And Hannity has everything to do with this. You obviously confused Hannity's charity scam with the CF.

Just to be clear 89% of CF funds went to charity.

Sorry Vern, you saying it over and over isn't convincing. Keep yapping, you aren't providing any information. Hannity isn't the subject of this thread. Get over that.

 

[OpportunityCost]

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OC, the NYPost is lying. watch me prove it.

the Post said this
"Charity Navigator put the foundation on its “watch list,” which warns potential donors about investing in problematic charities. "

Charity Navigator says this

"We had previously evaluated this organization, but have since determined that this charity's atypical business model can not be accurately captured in our current rating methodology. Our removal of The Clinton Foundation from our site is neither a condemnation nor an endorsement of this charity. We reserve the right to reinstate a rating for The Clinton Foundation as soon as we identify a rating methodology that appropriately captures its business model."

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.profile&ein=311580204

Just like they did with President Obama, conservatives and their masters in the media have to lie to criticize Hillary. why do conservatives hate the truth?

"Masters"? I think for myself. Do you?

 

[OpportunityCost]

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No, shooting what is obvious hackery. It's not the source, but the content, which was garbage.



It's pretty funny - you link to their audited financials, and the article refers to their very detailed 990, and you want them to be transparent. What would you like?

So no, they're not above criticism, I'm actually not a fan of Hillary, I think she's either corrupt or very stupid and arrogant, examples are her email, and accepting $10s of millions in speaking fees right before running for POTUS from firms highly connected to government and with $billion issues government addresses all the time, such as the big Wall Street firms, and the Foundation, taking money from entities with government business. They all give the appearance of impropriety at least and indicate a person IMO who is arrogant and out of touch if she believes she should be able to accept $5 million from Wall Street and have the public believe it won't affect how she as POTUS will govern. We're not idiots and she either thinks we are, OR she is.

But the line of attack you're using on the Foundation is just nonsense.

Lets examine the numbers shall we?

They claimed $439M in assets

$159M in net assets--pension funds, hedged financials, and depreciable buildings, furniture etc.
$95.9M in salaries
$17.2M in consulting
$14.2M in events
$20.8M in travel
$2.8M in telecom
$13.5M in training
$7.3M in rent
$7.8M in office expenses

I am not going to count depreciation and capital charges.

$338.5 Million out of $439M tied up in operating costs in various ways and they have restricted cash flows of nearly $60M. I said read the numbers. Did you?

 

[JasperL]

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Lets examine the numbers shall we?

They claimed $439M in assets

$159M in net assets--pension funds, hedged financials, and depreciable buildings, furniture etc.
$95.9M in salaries
$17.2M in consulting
$14.2M in events
$20.8M in travel
$2.8M in telecom
$13.5M in training
$7.3M in rent
$7.8M in office expenses

I am not going to count depreciation and capital charges.

$338.5 Million out of $439M tied up in operating costs in various ways and they have restricted cash flows of nearly $60M. I said read the numbers. Did you?

You're mixing assets with expenses. I have no idea what your point is. If it's that salary, or travel, or training aren't legitimate charitable expenditures, that's patently and obviously absurd.

 

[countryboy]

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http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/11/exclusive-joint-fbi-us-attorney-probe-of-clinton-foundation-is-underway/

This is good IF it is correct.

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Do you really have any faith left in the FBI?

 

[Vern]

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Sorry Vern, you saying it over and over isn't convincing. Keep yapping, you aren't providing any information. Hannity isn't the subject of this thread. Get over that.

Its funny you say that because I'm addressing your false claim about the CF.

"Masters"? I think for myself. Do you?

If you think for yourself why do not address the fact you posted a false claim about the CF and a lying editorial from the NY Post. Lets review

You made a false claim about the Clinton foundation
I proved it false
you repeated your false claim
you then posted a lying editorial from the NY post
I proved it false
you obediently deflected

Your masters thank you for your obedience.

 

[shrubnose]

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The dailycaller is a right wing propaganda organ.

Everything that they post must be read with that in mind.

I have better things to do than waste my time wading through their garbage.

:lol:

 

[OpportunityCost]

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You're mixing assets with expenses. I have no idea what your point is. If it's that salary, or travel, or training aren't legitimate charitable expenditures, that's patently and obviously absurd.

The amounts Jasper. I would think that would be obvious if you really examined it.

 

[OpportunityCost]

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Its funny you say that because I'm addressing your false claim about the CF.



If you think for yourself why do not address the fact you posted a false claim about the CF and a lying editorial from the NY Post. Lets review

You made a false claim about the Clinton foundation
I proved it false
you repeated your false claim
you then posted a lying editorial from the NY post
I proved it false
you obediently deflected

Your masters thank you for your obedience.

Nope. Just nope.

 

[NonoBadDog]

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Do you really have any faith left in the FBI?

I do in the person doing the investigation. I don't think he works for the FBI.

The New York-based probe is being led by Preet Bharara, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. Bharara’s prosecutorial aggressiveness has resulted in a large number of convictions of banks, hedge funds and Wall Street insiders.
The official said involvement of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of New York “would be seen by agents as a positive development as prosecutors there are generally thought to be more aggressive than the career lawyers within the DOJ.”

 

[justabubba]

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Well, the only way she could do that is by dropping out of the race.

hopefully she is more intellectually nimble than that

here was Obama's attempt
Lobbying Rules Surpass Those of Previous Presidents, Experts Say

this has not been a corruption tainted two-term administration

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ec766e-ab03-11e4-abe8-e1ef60ca26de_story.html

 

[Vern]

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Nope. Just nope.

mmm, you're not so talkative lately. Oh that's right you posted this lying editorial from the NYpost.

"Charity Navigator put the foundation on its “watch list,” which warns potential donors about investing in problematic charities. "

But this is what the Charity Navigator actually said.

"We had previously evaluated this organization, but have since determined that this charity's atypical business model can not be accurately captured in our current rating methodology. Our removal of The Clinton Foundation from our site is neither a condemnation nor an endorsement of this charity. "

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.profile&ein=311580204

and fyi OC, its not "shooting the messenger" when the messenger is lying and I've just proven (again) your conservative messenger is lying.

 

[justabubba]

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I'm too old for "cites", whatever exactly you mean by that, but I have known clients of Hillary's at Rose Law Firm, and I remember Juanita Broadrick or however it's spelled, I remember Vince Foster and other events. I remember Benghazi and the entire Libya fiasco, and I have some measure of common sense and an ability to read between the lines. If there is such a thing as "elite", she is certainly a member.

She is, like her husband, an unconvicted felon, most skilled at the art of deception and subterfuge.

For the last week or so, I have been proudly wearing my "Hillary For Prison 2016" T-shirt, for effect. A few people are shocked and offended, more speak out and jokingly want to buy my shirt. :mrgreen:

Peace, bro. Peace, if you have not noticed, is something Hitlery is not interested in.

ok, that was an 'interesting' read

but enough to tell us you have no evidence of hillary's alleged wrongdoing

 

[JasperL]

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The amounts Jasper. I would think that would be obvious if you really examined it.

OK, pick salaries - it's the biggest expenditure.

How many employed?
What are their job titles?
What do they do?
Where do they do their work?
Where do those employees live when not working for the foundation (i.e. is travel required to get them to the places they perform services)?

None of that is obvious to me, but apparently you have other information. Please share it, backed up by detailed evidence, please.

 

[justabubba]

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There needs to be very upfront transparency on this.

Why? Because a charity is NOT a business. If you're not a competitive organization putting out a competitive product or service which is competing in the marketplace, then you don't deserve a competitive salary or market wage. If you want a market wage, go work in the marketplace - ie. the business world.

Charity is by definition a higher calling that's more noble and altruistic, and it even gets a tax deduction.

It's one thing for an NFL athlete to make a huge salary - it's a business. It's one thing for a CEO of an automotive company to get a huge salary - it's a business. It's one thing for a real estate tycoon to get a huge paycheque - it's a business.

But it's quite another for a charity to be giving out huge salaries - it's NOT a business. The donating public has every right to know how much people are making at any so-called "charitable" organization. The amount of money spent on helping the actual needy vs the amount of money spent paying the staff matters.

Don't like your low paycheque at the charity you work at? Then I've got a little tip for you - go work in a business - that's the honest way to find a higher paycheque. Go compete in the marketplace.

Seeing people who get their paycheque from charity donations posting their redistributionist politics in here makes my skin crawl. That's a really crooked double standard, when religious institutions aren't allowed to be political. I'm an atheist myself, but when I see the way that the Left seek to dominate all politics, especially from their charitably-financed perches, then I feel religious organizations really need to be freed up and given the same liberties. Because socialism isn't the last word on charity or on helping people.

you make a mistake that is not uncommon
you assume that all non-profit organizations are also charities
they are not

 

[Abbazorkzog]

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Why are we having this discussion?
DOJ already blocked FBI probe of Clinton Foundation. We all know certain rules that apply to the rest of us that don't apply to the Clintons.
She is by definition a tyrant and she isn't even President yet.
That should scare the every-loving **** out of you.

 

[justabubba]

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Why are we having this discussion?
DOJ already blocked FBI probe of Clinton Foundation. We all know certain rules that apply to the rest of us that don't apply to the Clintons.
She is by definition a tyrant and she isn't even President yet.
That should scare the every-loving **** out of you.

or it should motivate the house incompetents, such as issa and gowdy, such that they continue their snipe hunt during the next congress

 

[coldjoint]

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at some point you would think conservatives would eventually realize how easily manipulated they are. Maybe the daily caller got something right at some point in its existenece but why do you think the CF is corrupt? Oh yea, you read something in the daily caller. See the problem. If you didnt so obediently believe what they tell you maybe they'd stop lying to you.

Ironic. The Left is manipulated by the MSM, and has been for quite a while. But they have outstanding people like Brian Williams who has never lied. George Stephanpolos the Clinton lacky, and Chris Matthews with cum oozing down his leg just thinking of Hillary. So when are you going to stop believing the lies?

 

[Thoreau72]

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ok, that was an 'interesting' read

but enough to tell us you have no evidence of hillary's alleged wrongdoing

Some folks, like the CIA and others practiced in the art of deception, know how the system works, and how to avoid and manipulate and plan so that there ARE no records that might form a criminal case.

It's kind of like obscenity--it's like each of us knows it when she sees it. :mrgreen:

 

[Abbazorkzog]

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or it should motivate the house incompetents, such as issa and gowdy, such that they continue their snipe hunt during the next congress

Or both.

 

[justabubba]

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Some folks, like the CIA and others practiced in the art of deception, know how the system works, and how to avoid and manipulate and plan so that there ARE no records that might form a criminal case.

It's kind of like obscenity--it's like each of us knows it when she sees it. :mrgreen:

but that's the problem

you are unable to point it out so that the rest of us are able to see it

 

[Top Cat]

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we tend to focus - with good reason - what tRump needs to do differently

team hillary needs to present a very definitive plan to show the voting public how she intends to avoid even the appearance of corruption and/or pay-to-play during her administration

The right wing nutjobs don't care. They will continue to throw **** at the wall regardless.

 

[chuckiechan]

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It's fixed, it's "hands off". How much clearer can it get. Even Bill Clinton rubbed the FBI's nose in it.

My concern is, what will the Clinton Foundation morph into if she is elected? Where will the state department's power base be? Will US troops enforce Foundation deals under the cover of State Department business?

 

[jmotivator]

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this has not been a corruption tainted two-term administration

Using the Washington Post as the barometer is like using Fox as the final word on Trump misstatements.