EXCLUSIVE: CIA Secret 'Torture' Prison Found at Fancy Horseback Riding Academy

[dirtpoorchris]

CIA Secret Prison Found - ABC News

The CIA built one of its secret European prisons inside an exclusive riding academy outside Vilnius, Lithuania, a current Lithuanian government official and a former U.S. intelligence official told ABC News this week.

Where affluent Lithuanians once rode show horses and sipped coffee at a café, the CIA installed a concrete structure where it could use harsh tactics to interrogate up to eight suspected al-Qaeda terrorists at a time.

"The activities in that prison were illegal," said human rights researcher John Sifton. "They included various forms of torture, including sleep deprivation, forced standing, painful stress positions."

Lithuanian officials provided ABC News with the documents of what they called a CIA front company, Elite, LLC, which purchased the property and built the "black site" in 2004.

Nuthin like some bets after cracking some skulls.

 

[Arch Enemy]

knowing our government I wouldn't be surprised if there were a "Secret" Torture Prison inside Splash Mountain at Disney World.

"Okay Mr. Abdullah Aziz Muhammad Jihad, just step inside floating log cart"
"YAYYY!!!"

*Click* The tracks change course

"Hey Mr. CIA man, I think you need to call matien.. noo noooooo"

 

[dirtpoorchris]

knowing our government I wouldn't be surprised if there were a "Secret" Torture Prison inside Splash Mountain at Disney World.

"Okay Mr. Abdullah Aziz Muhammad Jihad, just step inside floating log cart"
"YAYYY!!!"

*Click* The tracks change course

"Hey Mr. CIA man, I think you need to call matien.. noo noooooo"

Just add in a automated machine that throws a turbin at them and a mock ak-47. Sprinkles them with opium then takes a picture. And you got a streamlined machine. The image of the splash mountain log changing tracks is just halarious to me. Dudes eyes would be 0_0

 

[RightinNYC]

To clarify, there's absolutely no evidence or testimony as to what happened at that site. All we know is that it exists. The "human rights researcher" is just saying what he thinks happened.

 

[Arch Enemy]

Just add in a automated machine that throws a turbin at them and a mock ak-47. Sprinkles them with opium then takes a picture. And you got a streamlined machine. The image of the splash mountain log changing tracks is just halarious to me. Dudes eyes would be 0_0

Hah. My focus was on the C.I.A showing up in Yemen, knocking on the door, and telling this guy he's won an all expense paid trip to Disney World.

To clarify, there's absolutely no evidence or testimony as to what happened at that site. All we know is that it exists. The "human rights researcher" is just saying what he thinks happened.

According to my extensive research at the Splash Mountain torture chambers, there's all sorts of bad that that can be linked to this Lithuanian site.

 

[MSgt]

"The activities in that prison were illegal," said human rights researcher John Sifton. "They included various forms of torture, including sleep deprivation, forced standing, painful stress positions."

I did that for three months in Paris Island (I believe there was even a gas chamber involved.) More when I walked my posts at MCT. More of the same when I walked my post at MOS school. Even more when I deployed. More whenever on 24 hour Duty over the last 18 years.

What ever happened to good old fashioned torture when people lost fingers, were electrocuted, jammed sticks under finger nails, etc. I guess the absence of those kinds of torture has people looking to fill the void. ...civilians.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

I did that for three months in Paris Island (I believe there was even a gas chamber involved.) More when I walked my posts at MCT. More of the same when I walked my post at MOS school. Even more when I deployed. More whenever on 24 hour Duty over the last 18 years.

What ever happened to good old fashioned torture when people lost fingers, were electrocuted, jammed sticks under finger nails, etc. I guess the absence of those kinds of torture has people looking to fill the void. ...civilians.

Damn the grey area. When you have laws that let you do something minimally horrible, then someone stretches it too far, the abusers have something to fall back on. Interrogation should involve nothing but words. (Sorry to inject this here) But its all sorta like bringing laws into affect that allow mercury into injections. Before the law any found in it would be a horrible catastrophe. But, seeing as how a little is allowed now, people have leeway to play around with.

From this article we know that only 8 people at a time where ever kept here. So this must be a small time thing right? What if this place shuffled 8 different people ever single day for the past few years?

 

[molten_dragon]

I did that for three months in Paris Island (I believe there was even a gas chamber involved.) More when I walked my posts at MCT. More of the same when I walked my post at MOS school. Even more when I deployed. More whenever on 24 hour Duty over the last 18 years.

What ever happened to good old fashioned torture when people lost fingers, were electrocuted, jammed sticks under finger nails, etc. I guess the absence of those kinds of torture has people looking to fill the void. ...civilians.

I have to agree with this (well, except the ...civilians comment, since I've never been anything but). We need a different word for those kind of interrogation methods. Torture is a different beast entirely than sleep deprivation and 'forced standing'.

 

[Tashah]

We need a different word for those kind of interrogation methods. Torture is a different beast entirely than sleep deprivation and 'forced standing'.

These are called “aggressive interrogation techniques” to distinguish them from the draconian torture methods which typically cause permanent physical and/or mental health harm.

 

[Joe1991]

I did that for three months in Paris Island (I believe there was even a gas chamber involved.) More when I walked my posts at MCT. More of the same when I walked my post at MOS school. Even more when I deployed. More whenever on 24 hour Duty over the last 18 years..

You did those things voluntarily and were surrounded by your fellow Americans whom you knew weren't going to kill you. It's silly to attempt to compare that to actual torture.

What ever happened to good old fashioned torture when people lost fingers, were electrocuted, jammed sticks under finger nails, etc. I guess the absence of those kinds of torture has people looking to fill the void. ...civilians.

We as a people decided we were better than animals and signed the Geneva Conventions... didn't they teach you that in basic?

 

[WI Crippler]

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We as a people decided we were better than animals and signed the Geneva Conventions... didn't they teach you that in basic?

Funny though. The people detained don't fall under the Geneva Conventions.

 

[jamesrage]

I did that for three months in Paris Island (I believe there was even a gas chamber involved.)

I think you are right. That sounds like basic training at Fort Benning Georgia. Sleep deprivation, Forced standing and painful stress positions and Tear gas chamber.

What ever happened to good old fashioned torture when people lost fingers, were electrocuted, jammed sticks under finger nails, etc. I guess the absence of those kinds of torture has people looking to fill the void. ...civilians.

This is why *****fist should not be in any position of power. If think if those ******s had it their way all the drill instructors in the US Army would be arrested for torture especially the infantry drill instructors.

 

[1069]

CIA Secret Prison Found - ABC News





Nuthin like some bets after cracking some skulls.

Is this one of those things they were calling "black sites"?
So they really do exist. I'll be damned.
I wonder how many we'll find.

knowing our government I wouldn't be surprised if there were a "Secret" Torture Prison inside Splash Mountain at Disney World.

"Okay Mr. Abdullah Aziz Muhammad Jihad, just step inside floating log cart"
"YAYYY!!!"

*Click* The tracks change course

"Hey Mr. CIA man, I think you need to call matien.. noo noooooo"

:funny

 

[jamesrage]

You did those things voluntarily and were surrounded by your fellow Americans whom you knew weren't going to kill you.

So every person who was drafted is a torture victim?

It's silly to attempt to compare that to actual torture.

It is silly to compare things that those of us who were in the miltiary have done as torture or what we do for training as torture.

We as a people decided we were better than animals and signed the Geneva Conventions... didn't they teach you that in basic?

Sleep deprivation, forced standing, painful stress positions or even water boarding is not equal nor comparable to actual torture.

 

[RightinNYC]

Birthing and caring for a child includes various forms of torture, including sleep deprivation, forced standing, and painful stress positions.

 

[Joe1991]

Funny though. The people detained don't fall under the Geneva Conventions.

Says you.


.......

 

[Arch Enemy]

Birthing and caring for a child includes various forms of torture, including sleep deprivation, forced standing, and painful stress positions.

Where did you get that Bold from?

My International Security Professor used the exact same analogy. "I sometimes put my daughter to bed early, is that torture?"

My Response is that 30 min of "sleep deprivation" will not produce the results in order to get the information you need to from the detainee. It will take, border-line, changing the circadian rhythm to put them in a non-prolonged aggressive state.

The fact is what you do to your child in the caring process is not what you are going to be doing to a detainee in the torturing process.

 

[RightinNYC]

Where did you get that Bold from?

My International Security Professor used the exact same analogy. "I sometimes put my daughter to bed early, is that torture?"

My Response is that 30 min of "sleep deprivation" will not produce the results in order to get the information you need to from the detainee. It will take, border-line, changing the circadian rhythm to put them in a non-prolonged aggressive state.

The fact is what you do to your child in the caring process is not what you are going to be doing to a detainee in the torturing process.

Oh, I was referring to the process of birthing and caring for a child from the parent's perspective. That **** is rough.

 

[WI Crippler]

Says you.


.......

Says the ****ing Geneva Conventions...

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

(c) That of carrying arms openly;

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

3. Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.

4. Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall provide them for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model.

5. Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.

6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

Terrorists do not fall under any of those articles.....

 

[MSgt]

You did those things voluntarily and were surrounded by your fellow Americans whom you knew weren't going to kill you. It's silly to attempt to compare that to actual torture.

It's silly to compare a lack of sleep to "actual torture." Your freedom and absolute way of life has been protected by "soldiers" who have been less than gentlemanly in the conduct of war.

We as a people decided we were better than animals and signed the Geneva Conventions... didn't they teach you that in basic?

They taught me that what the common man in America believes in has no place in the real world. The real world would later legitimize that.

The Geneva Convention was about western mannerisms in war. Did the rest of the world sign on or did we assume superiority as white folk and force our rules on their play grounds? You deal with the academic classroom of warfare. Some of us just deal with warfare. While you shed a crocodile tear over a lack of sleep our enemies concern themselves how best to kill another American with the biggest splash of media coverage so that people such as yourself can have a bit of drama. No uniforms. No nation of origin. No responsibility to western codes of war. Just a thirst to murder in the name of God with a distracting earthly justification to fool the ignorant.

I could care less if our enemy has a rough time going to sleep. ...but I bet he has a Qu'ran. For a bunch of savage torturers, your protectors sure do care about their enemy's religious rights.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

It's silly to compare a lack of sleep to "actual torture." Your freedom and absolute way of life has been protected by "soldiers" who have been less than gentlemanly in the conduct of war.



They taught me that what the common man in America believes in has no place in the real world. The real world would later legitimize that.

The Geneva Convention was about western mannerisms in war. Did the rest of the world sign on or did we assume superiority as white folk and force our rules on their play grounds? You deal with the academic classroom of warfare. Some of us just deal with warfare. While you shed a crocodile tear over a lack of sleep our enemies concern themselves how best to kill another American with the biggest splash of media coverage so that people such as yourself can have a bit of drama. No uniforms. No nation of origin. No responsibility to western codes of war. Just a thirst to murder in the name of God with a distracting earthly justification to fool the ignorant.

I could care less if our enemy has a rough time going to sleep. ...but I bet he has a Qu'ran. For a bunch of savage torturers, your protectors sure do care about their enemy's religious rights.

Would it count as torture if a delirious man was mentally dissected by a professional team and his failure to uphold his sense meant death?

 

[Orion]

I used to argue about whether or not this constituted torture, referencing the Geneva Convention and all manner of rational thought, but I've come to the conclusion that the way humans treat one another is not rational. We are a species caught in an irrational paradigm and my hope for the future is that we can work past its unconscious grip on us.

Whether or not it's torture is beside the point. Humans can and do engage in acts of barbarism. The legal minutiae over what is acceptable barbarism and what isn't has no bearing on my view anymore. Human warfare is savagery, and the battlefield is the wilderness. If the CIA did induce stress and temporary harm on these people, then it's just one more apparatus in a slew of a regrettable many.

 

[RDS]

These are called “aggressive interrogation techniques” to distinguish them from the draconian torture methods which typically cause permanent physical and/or mental health harm.

Yes, draconian torture methods like waterboading and Khalid Sheikh was waterboarded 183 times.

 

[Joe1991]

They taught me that what the common man in America believes in has no place in the real world. The real world would later legitimize that.

The Geneva Convention was about western mannerisms in war. Did the rest of the world sign on or did we assume superiority as white folk and force our rules on their play grounds? You deal with the academic classroom of warfare. Some of us just deal with warfare. While you shed a crocodile tear over a lack of sleep our enemies concern themselves how best to kill another American with the biggest splash of media coverage so that people such as yourself can have a bit of drama. No uniforms. No nation of origin. No responsibility to western codes of war. Just a thirst to murder in the name of God with a distracting earthly justification to fool the ignorant.

I could care less if our enemy has a rough time going to sleep. ...but I bet he has a Qu'ran. For a bunch of savage torturers, your protectors sure do care about their enemy's religious rights.

Nice Jack Nicholson rant, even if wrong on every count. Apparently wearing the uniform doesn't impart any wisdom as to what it represents.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo"]YouTube- A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth"[/ame]

 

[jamesrage]

Nice Jack Nicholson rant, even if wrong on every count. Apparently wearing the uniform doesn't impart any wisdom as to what it represents.


YouTube- A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth"

You are going to use a movie clip most likely made by people who never seen the light of day in the military, basically people pretending to be in the military to try to prove a point?