Evolution vs. Creationism[W:2571, 3239]

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Well, there goes creationism, which reads the bible like a sci fi text.

Just as any book written today there are some good points and some not true points.

You make a list of things society can use from a book written about the big bang theory , and I shall attempt to write some things that might be usaed from the bible.

I'll let you go first, hope you have better luck than I.
Remember things society can use not things society should avoid , that would be too easy for me.

The Biible was written by man man makes mistakes.
The Big Bang theory was written by man and as you know man makes mistakes.eace

 

[beefheart]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Best lay off those sci fy books for awhile, you're starting to show signs of ... well paranoia. eace

Ironic that you don't understand what that post means.

 

[beefheart]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Well, there goes creationism, which reads the bible like a sci fi text.

Is he always this obtuse, or is it just bored troll behavior?

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

That's not sci-fi, it's religion. A peculiarly American religion, but there you go.

Ok brainiac, what's the foundation what basis does it have how many members , what books have been written ,where are the churches?

I've already googled it so you are on your own
The post is yours, you've been wanting the floor and spotlight , proceed to explain this religion to meeace

 

[beefheart]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Ok brainiac, what's the foundation what basis does it have how many members , what books have been written ,where are the churches?

I've already googled it so you are on your own
The post is yours, you've been wanting the floor and spotlight , proceed to explain this religion to meeace

Do your own research, you might enjoy learning, don't task others to do all the heavy lifting for you.

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Did you realize that you did actually hit reply making your little statement mute?

I see you managed to figure it out with no problem, I suppose mute has a different meaning in the atheist realmeace

 

[roguenuke]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

I absolutely believe in evolution. That said, I don't think it is impossible that there couldn't be a higher power "guiding" evolution to His/Her/Their own ends. But belief in a higher power does not necessitate no belief in evolution, nor does belief in evolution mean that you can't believe in a higher power.

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Ironic that you don't understand what that post means.

What's ironic you seemed to be so paranoid about beoing took over by Organized Religion , but have no clue what the word paranoid means?loleace

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Do your own research, you might enjoy learning, don't task others to do all the heavy lifting for you.

I do my own research thank you.
Heavy lifting of what theories, mountains of paperwork,hypothesis that equal oner think we think this is what happened or the old pretty sure and the stand by we atheist know for sure it was not intelligent design or God or any higher power so it must be our unproven theory. lol,loleace

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

I absolutely believe in evolution. That said, I don't think it is impossible that there couldn't be a higher power "guiding" evolution to His/Her/Their own ends. But belief in a higher power does not necessitate no belief in evolution, nor does belief in evolution mean that you can't believe in a higher power.

Ah, thank you for that breath of fresh air.but I must warn you these guys don't play nice.
eace

 

[Manc Skipper]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Ok brainiac, what's the foundation what basis does it have how many members , what books have been written ,where are the churches?

I've already googled it so you are on your own
The post is yours, you've been wanting the floor and spotlight , proceed to explain this religion to meeace

I neither know nor care of the fine details of the scam, save that it's a religion. Where did the rambling hick persona go to?

 

[head of joaquin]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Just as any book written today there are some good points and some not true points.

You make a list of things society can use from a book written about the big bang theory , and I shall attempt to write some things that might be usaed from the bible.

I'll let you go first, hope you have better luck than I.
Remember things society can use not things society should avoid , that would be too easy for me.

The Biible was written by man man makes mistakes.
The Big Bang theory was written by man and as you know man makes mistakes.eace

Pssst: one is a religious text. The other is a scientific text. The inability to see the difference leads to the silliest errors imaginable.

 

[head of joaquin]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Is he always this obtuse, or is it just bored troll behavior?

Pretty much always like this. It's uncanny.

 

[beefheart]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Pretty much always like this. It's uncanny.

Is there an ignore filter here? I don't need an annoying gnat flitting around my posts.

 

[beefheart]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

What's ironic you seemed to be so paranoid about beoing took over by Organized Religion , but have no clue what the word paranoid means?loleace

First of all, you have no knowledge of my personal life or religious life, I've been here a handful of days, had you taken the courtesy to ask, I would have told you, however, you decided to be a troll.

FWIW, I grew up in a religious RC home, did RC Kindergarten through 8th grade, then 4 years of RC high school. The education was exemplary, and for a long time I believed the religion part of it. I don't any more, I'm not an atheist however, just part of the growing list of no-religion agnostics.

If you want information, ask, don't be a pest and make erroneous assumptions while you prattle on. I don't suffer fools easily in the real world, and I certainly will not endure their foolish whims in cyber-land.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Soccer really? now that's hitting below the belt everybody in America must only be interested in and watch Football . ONLY STUPID PEOPLE WATCH SOCCER.
LOL,LOL,LOL I bet I got your attention almost ready to strike I bet except this was just a tactic ,actually my nephew plays soccer been to more than one game
About that first sentence though just change a few words like the sentence below.
Faith in God really?now that is unacceptable, everybody in America must be an atheist ,only stupid people have faith in God.
I don't see that much difference just some A hole trying to tell people how to live their lives.
eace

Straws on top of straws. I never said only stupid people have faith in a deity, some smart people do, too. Compartmentalization is very real.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Ok and the answer for the starting point of evolution is ?
Nobody knows.

Evolution isnt dependent on how it started. Which brings us back to how pitting evolution against creationism is a challenge. The two concepts dont cover the same topic. Creationism makes the claim that all was created. While evolution only address how life evolves over time.

I did not bring this hate I merely responded to it.
Proof show me on any post that I have ask any atheist to believe as I do.
Show me on any of my post where I said atheist is just a made up organization.
Show me where I have accused all atheist of having a low I.Q. based on the fact they were atheist , that fact and that fact alone.

:violin:

I have said evolution exist , I have stated evolution is fact an atheist disagreed and said it was theory but I say evolution is fact. evolution is scientifically accurate it is the beginning of evolution we are interested in.

We? That would be you are interested in how evolution started because of your faith.

I find the beginning of evolution to be unrelated to this conversation. If you want to talk about the origins of the universe and life start another thread. But I do understand why you want to but that is because of the unfortunate presentation of this thread. You are arguing fopr creation and must talk about the origins of life to make that claim, but then the argument becomes murte because evolution doesnt explain how evolution came to be.

Bull**** atheist plan???
When atheist attack me it's fun and games , but I got thick skin , no prob.but when I attack them it's the old obsessing with attacking atheist or it's the old hate card in short whine.
No body knows how it got started though neither do I.

Don't know how many times I have to say this but evolution is A FACT.
TRADE PUNCHES RATHER THAN DEBATE THE ISSUE??
You are mistaken sir , check thew post I merely respond to post I get no more , no less .
If you wish to defend your non belief as an atheist do so but you can not expect some one to just let you slide while making bad remarks about their belief.
Bottom line you want the hate to stop coming your way but you want to keep hating , maybe with other posters not with me.
You want the attacks to stop on your non belief , while still attacking my belief don't work like that with this poster.
You want to debate no problem you want slander , you want sarcasm give and you shall receive.

You are confused since I haven't at all did any of those things. If you believe that I did go find that post and report it to the proper mod.

WE haven''t made any progress ?
So what do the atheist offer?
What caused the beginning of evolution? uhh, "arumph" we have mountains of evidence what facts do you have? well "we know" we just know ???
What caused the Big Bang to happen if it did happen what proof what facts do you have?
Well we have proof that the universe is expanding??
Well there is this" theory" of particles in a vacuum before the big bang happened , " THEORY", yes but if it is an atheist backed science theory it's actually a fact???
Please you would have the universe start by a freak accident and continue with a magic trick???

Please do not post things that have nothing to do with me and expect me to respond.

This is the first time I've bothered to criticize an atheist beliefs but this post wasn't the first time you have criticized mine.
I will continue to respond in kind to the post I recieiveeac

You pretend to know my beliefs? Are you a psychic? Oh wait you were generalizing all atheists, never mind...

Still stands evolution is science and creationism is just a opinion. But you are not here to debate are you?

 

[presluc]

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I neither know nor care of the fine details of the scam, save that it's a religion. Where did the rambling hick persona go to?

I direct your attention to post 2098 it was you that made the statement not sc fy religion as if you knew .
So now you're saying you know what it is just don't know nothing about it?
Question; What brought you to that conclusion roll the dice or flip a coin?
You speak to me of rambling?eace

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Pssst: one is a religious text. The other is a scientific text. The inability to see the difference leads to the silliest errors imaginable.

Psst , one says thou shalt not lie the other says we know exactly how the universe started , psst one says thou shalt not kill the other sorry no time for that but if it's in a park we don't want it there; if it says merry Christmas that is too difficult for us atheist to bear, I could go on but .,..really??eace

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

First of all, you have no knowledge of my personal life or religious life, I've been here a handful of days, had you taken the courtesy to ask, I would have told you, however, you decided to be a troll.

FWIW, I grew up in a religious RC home, did RC Kindergarten through 8th grade, then 4 years of RC high school. The education was exemplary, and for a long time I believed the religion part of it. I don't any more, I'm not an atheist however, just part of the growing list of no-religion agnostics.

If you want information, ask, don't be a pest and make erroneous assumptions while you prattle on. I don't suffer fools easily in the real world, and I certainly will not endure their foolish whims in cyber-land.

Did you ask me of my personal life or religious life? Don't think so.

Big deal I grew up in a home of bigots and Organized Religion who supported segregation, I marched for civil rights and when I said evolution is real and questioned the writings of Genesis was disowned by some family members , and I turned my back on organized religion ,as I have said I can respect any belief or non belief , if they but respect mine , if not WELL??

Of that whole post at what time did you ask any information from me so that remark of being a pest goes both ways my friend ,. That is unless the agnostics and atheist have cornered the market on information , although some may say so.. umm.... I DON'T THINK SO eace

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Straws on top of straws. I never said only stupid people have faith in a deity, some smart people do, too. Compartmentalization is very real.

Still slinging mud are we? straws ? check your post man, not on this thread, but others.

You will find a trend ,at first I tried to do as others have told me be the bigger man look for the good in people not the faults , but really you make it most difficult to find the good. , you keep using slander and namecalling ,accusations , this is not good but to keep you in good spirits I will respond with what you are comfortable woitheace

 

[Manc Skipper]

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I direct your attention to post 2098 it was you that made the statement not sc fy religion as if you knew .
So now you're saying you know what it is just don't know nothing about it?
Question; What brought you to that conclusion roll the dice or flip a coin?
You speak to me of rambling?eace

The bizarre interpretation is entirely yours. Your ignorance of the Church of Scientology notwithdstanding.

 

[beefheart]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Did you ask me of my personal life or religious life? Don't think so.

Big deal I grew up in a home of bigots and Organized Religion who supported segregation, I marched for civil rights and when I said evolution is real and questioned the writings of Genesis was disowned by some family members , and I turned my back on organized religion ,as I have said I can respect any belief or non belief , if they but respect mine , if not WELL??

Of that whole post at what time did you ask any information from me so that remark of being a pest goes both ways my friend ,. That is unless the agnostics and atheist have cornered the market on information , although some may say so.. umm.... I DON'T THINK SO eace

I don't care

You are the one that erronously is tossing the labels around, and your muddled posts don't contribute much to any intelligent conversation.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Still slinging mud are we? straws ? check your post man, not on this thread, but others.

You will find a trend ,at first I tried to do as others have told me be the bigger man look for the good in people not the faults , but really you make it most difficult to find the good. , you keep using slander and namecalling ,accusations , this is not good but to keep you in good spirits I will respond with what you are comfortable woitheace

For one, you mistake the truth with name-calling. Secondly, many in this thread (and others) have tried to educate you scientifically, only for you to say "nuh uh" and turn around. I don't care if you think you're the bigger man, if you need that to help you feel superior, by all means. If you'd respond with what I was comfortable with, you'd do it with science, but I won't be holding my breath for that miracle.

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Evolution isnt dependent on how it started. Which brings us back to how pitting evolution against creationism is a challenge. The two concepts dont cover the same topic. Creationism makes the claim that all was created. While evolution only address how life evolves over time.

:violin:

We? That would be you are interested in how evolution started because of your faith.

I find the beginning of evolution to be unrelated to this conversation. If you want to talk about the origins of the universe and life start another thread. But I do understand why you want to but that is because of the unfortunate presentation of this thread. You are arguing fopr creation and must talk about the origins of life to make that claim, but then the argument becomes murte because evolution doesnt explain how evolution came to be.


You are confused since I haven't at all did any of those things. If you believe that I did go find that post and report it to the proper mod.


Please do not post things that have nothing to do with me and expect me to respond.

You pretend to know my beliefs? Are you a psychic? Oh wait you were generalizing all atheists, never mind...

Still stands evolution is science and creationism is just a opinion. But you are not here to debate are you?

I don't really understand that sentence , creationism I can understand I have faith that is how the universe got started I ask no poster to have the same faith , at no time did I discuss what my faith consist of except to show you the difference between my faith and theist..
That being said I thought atheist were all about unanswered questions to explain everything no supernatural no unknown explain everything with science so they say.
Explain this , if evolution is merely about how life evolves over time , where and how did this evolving over time start?

I am interested in how evolution started not because of my faith , but because of who I am a mere human seeking knowledge .
What is that why atheist want to know things or perhaps they already know everything because they are atheist?

The name of this thread as you told me is evolution vs creationism.
What if the two were linked ?
Since you have no proof of either the beginning of the universe or the beginning of evolution "oh I know mountains of evidence thousands of theories but?", organized Religion has no proof , I have said I have no proof but to try a different new approach would at least be somet... ah Hell that's a waste of time .
Two organizations that want power and money by gathering followers to listen to their way of how to live neither would give that up.

You have stated that my belief Faith believers was made up by me. you know this.
I've been on this forum since 2009 , I've never dropped a dime on any poster but some as turned me in on this very subject , it wasn't a religious person.

These are the answers I get from atheist are you any different check your post, "evolution only address how life evolves over time",
explain the word evolve to me then tell me the foundation where evolution started is not important?

You pretend to know my beliefs even how many generalizing all atheist check the post ... is there something similar??

True, we must remember that evolution is science "not atheism" creationism is an opinion yet to be proven , however atheism has yet to be proven so that would make atheism an opinion as well ,since both organized Religion and atheist are quick to know absolutely positively what is not .
NEITHER KNOW ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY WHAT IS.eace