Evolution vs. Creationism[W:2571, 3239]

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Here again, what the hell are you saying?

Take this for example:

What does the bible's influence have to do with our looking at mistakes? What are you asking there?

Look before you respond to what I post , you might try reading what I'm responding to.

Post 1847 Brothen posted "The bible was influenced by man's mistakes ,"
He brought this up not I.

However since you like to pry without knowing let me break down that last question for you.

All books we read or what we hear has influence directly or indirectly on the choices we make and some of those are mistakes.
Example , catcher on the rye, Mein Kamph. the Family, "Charles Manson" the King James Bible , the Declaration of Independence .
Are you saying that none of these has ever influenced the triumps and the mistakes any human on earth???eace

 

[Somerville]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

I refuse to accept theories from others I take it this is what you mean?
I remind you sir theories are not facts or why would you call them theories?

Which is their facts based on theories and research and hypothesis which is NOT FACT.

FYI, That's the second time you've tested my intellect next time I'll return the favor and test yours.
I have tried to be civil I have not questioned anybody's debating or posting skills but if you want to start slinging mud you best best wear a raincoat .
For, although I have been bested by far better debaters than you, but none the same as you or worse.eace

It has been posted several times, the definition of theory as used in the scientific world. Your refusal to either accept or understand that definition and the difference between your understanding of the word and the way in which it is used in science does cause a problem for those attempting to explain reality to you.

Your rather adamant refusal to accept facts when presented to you, your continuing return to statements that have are known to be untrue and your seeming inability to accept that some atheists are scientists and some scientists are atheist has absolutely nothing to do with their research.

Did you know that your little peace sign is actually seen as an obscene gesture in the UK, the same as an extended middle finger here?

 

[Jerry]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

All books we read or what we hear has influence directly or indirectly on the choices we make and some of those are mistakes.

Yeah the bible has flaws, but the creation event is not one of those flaws. That's something the bible got right. We know that because we can match the story in Genesis with modern science and validate it.

The basis of all the Young Earth stuff is not found in the creation story in Genesis. Young Earth is based on other material, the genealogy of Adam to Noah, to be specific.

http://roguepreacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bible_family_tree.gif

 

[Somerville]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Yeah the bible has flaws, but the creation event is not one of those flaws. That's something the bible got right. We know that because we can match the story in Genesis with modern science and validate it.

The basis of all the Young Earth stuff is not found in the creation story in Genesis. Young Earth is based on other material, the genealogy of Adam to Noah, to be specific.

http://roguepreacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bible_family_tree.gif
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Enjoy your religious beliefs but they simply aren't true - at least not in the universe in which I dwell.

 

[Jerry]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Enjoy your religious beliefs but they simply aren't true - at least not in the universe in which I dwell.

Well ok but you should try visiting Earth sometime it's very nice here :2wave:

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Yeah the bible has flaws, but the creation event is not one of those flaws. That's something the bible got right. We know that because we can match the story in Genesis with modern science and validate it.

The basis of all the Young Earth stuff is not found in the creation story in Genesis. Young Earth is based on other material, the genealogy of Adam to Noah, to be specific.

http://roguepreacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bible_family_tree.gif
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And what exactly matches up in genesis with science? From what I've seen, just about nothing. Or insanely general statements like describing the sun as being bright and made in a day.

 

[Jerry]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

And what exactly matches up in genesis with science?

The order in which everything occurred.

Where YEC is wrong is what "yom" means in context. It was a long period of time, millions of years, not 24 hours.

From what I've seen, just about nothing. Or insanely general statements like describing the sun as being bright and made in a day.

Genesis was not written as a modern technical manual or text book. It's a 2,000 year old deistic poem read in translation, so of course it's going to be less than clear.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

The order in which everything occurred.

Where YEC is wrong is what "yom" means in context. It was a long period of time, millions of years, not 24 hours.

So because the order was light-sky-land-vegetation-animals-humans, you believe that confirms the book of genesis? That's a pretty weak argument, especially considering those things would be insanely obvious to even a writer thousands of years ago.

 

[Jerry]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

So because the order was light-sky-land-vegetation-animals-humans

That's not the order.

Day 1: The removal of the dense cloud cover Earth had when it formed.
Day 2: The formation of a stable water cycle.
Day 3: Plant life forms on land.
Day 4: Earth settles into it's current "stellar day".
Day 5: Explosion of marine life and small land animals marking the end of the Cretaceous period/beginning of the Tertiary
Day 6: Large land animals evolve, to include humans.
Day 7: God kicks his boots off and opens a beer.

....you believe that confirms the book of genesis?

Nope. A lot of things occurred in Genesis. Just because Genesis records the creation even doesn't mean the geneology found in Genesis 5 is correct. Those are two different events. This thread is about Creationism, not everything in Genesis. Creationism is a tiny little part of Genesis, not the whole book. From 1;1 to 2;1 and that's it. That's the only part of Genesis which is relevant to this thread.

That's a pretty weak argument

Good thing I didn't argue it then.

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

One that can spell and put a sentence together, sure. I literally had no idea what you saying, and I'm not the only one who couldn't understand you.

What can I tell you google the word simplify matters or to explain simply . and find out what that means .
.
FYI , It's "what you "sre ' or "were" saying not what you saying.
Literally had no idea "what you "saying.

I'm afraid that's bad grammar old boy, another case of the pot calling the kettle ?eace

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

It has been posted several times, the definition of theory as used in the scientific world. Your refusal to either accept or understand that definition and the difference between your understanding of the word and the way in which it is used in science does cause a problem for those attempting to explain reality to you.

Your rather adamant refusal to accept facts when presented to you, your continuing return to statements that have are known to be untrue and your seeming inability to accept that some atheists are scientists and some scientists are atheist has absolutely nothing to do with their research.

Did you know that your little peace sign is actually seen as an obscene gesture in the UK, the same as an extended middle finger here?

First of all I live in the real world , does the scientific realm have it's own world now?
If so where is the portal to reach it or is it just your imagination???

Your rather futile attempt to dodge questions by leaving them unanswered may cause me to wander if you have any answers at all?
Since it has been suggested that no person that has faith in God should be a scientist for fear they might be bias to scientific research, could not atheist be bias to the truth as well?

Sorry I don't live in the UK, and if my history is correct America is no longer under UK's rule .,
What nobody told you , really should read more history dude. eaceeace.
Two peace signs one for you one for the UK.

 

[Somerville]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

First of all I live in the real world , does the scientific realm have it's own world now?
If so where is the portal to reach it or is it just your imagination???

Your rather futile attempt to dodge questions by leaving them unanswered may cause me to wander if you have any answers at all?
Since it has been suggested that no person that has faith in God should be a scientist for fear they might be bias to scientific research, could not atheist be bias to the truth as well?

Sorry I don't live in the UK, and if my history is correct America is no longer under UK's rule .,
What nobody told you , really should read more history dude. eaceeace.
Two peace signs one for you one for the UK.

Your refusal to accept answers offered is much more of a problem. To say others haven't answered your questions is yet one more indicator of an inability to accept reality . . . and thanks for the 'gesture'

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Yeah the bible has flaws, but the creation event is not one of those flaws. That's something the bible got right. We know that because we can match the story in Genesis with modern science and validate it.

The basis of all the Young Earth stuff is not found in the creation story in Genesis. Young Earth is based on other material, the genealogy of Adam to Noah, to be specific.

http://roguepreacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bible_family_tree.gif
View attachment 67153207

Uhh, one word evolution..

I know we have traced back as far as neanderthal perhaps further but why would Adam a man kicked out if Eden because he was tempted by Eve, or Noah a man who survived the great flood start as a neanderthal ?
Which begs to ask the question is the earth that young or that old , and what of the rest of the universe?
That brings to ask a question which has not been answered nor found , for to evolve one must have something to evolve from a blueprint or a foundation if you will.
This has had theories ideas, even DECLARATIVE AND IMPERATIVE STATEMENTS, BUT FACTS AND PROOF REMAIN UNANSWERED eace

 

[Jerry]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

What can I tell you google the word simplify matters or to explain simply . and find out what that means .

That doesn't make any sense. You want to tell me about Google? What matters need to be simplified? What word are you referring to? Why did you put a space between "simply" and the period? Why didn't you capitolise the first letter of the next sentence? Why did you begin a sentence with a conjunction? What meaning needs to be found out?

Your posts are gibberish.

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Your refusal to accept answers offered is much more of a problem. To say others haven't answered your questions is yet one more indicator of an inability to accept reality . . . and thanks for the 'gesture'

I refuse to accept answers that are not facts, I guess I'm kinda picky that way.

However if my answer was God created the universe , they might be a few refusals to accept my answers.

However THAT IS NOT WHAT I HAVE SAID OR RESPONDED AS AN ANSWER AT ANY TIME
Yet you and other atheist expect me to take your word for a theory being fact ???
Isn't that kind of hypocritical?
Your welcome for the gesture ,you want another.
Only in "THEORY"of course. lol

 

[Manc Skipper]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Your continued abuse of the word "theory" is a major impediment to your learning anything.

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

That doesn't make any sense. You want to tell me about Google? What matters need to be simplified? What word are you referring to? Why did you put a space between "simply" and the period? Why didn't you capitolise the first letter of the next sentence? Why did you begin a sentence with a conjunction? What meaning needs to be found out?

Your posts are gibberish.

No I was trying to get to understand I like things simple , I like things explained to me simple.

Why do I capitol letters , conjunctions what is this English? class or a science thread

If you can not explain it simply
You do not understand it well enough
Albert Einstein

I ask another atheist who wrote that he couldn't tell me , do you at least know it's meaning???eace

 

[Jerry]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Why do I capitol letters , conjunctions what is this English? class or a science thread

I would love to know why you capitol letters.

 

[Jerry]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Uhh, one word evolution..

I know we have traced back as far as neanderthal perhaps further but why would Adam a man kicked out if Eden because he was tempted by Eve, or Noah a man who survived the great flood start as a neanderthal ?
Which begs to ask the question is the earth that young or that old , and what of the rest of the universe?
That brings to ask a question which has not been answered nor found , for to evolve one must have something to evolve from a blueprint or a foundation if you will.
This has had theories ideas, even DECLARATIVE AND IMPERATIVE STATEMENTS, BUT FACTS AND PROOF REMAIN UNANSWERED eace

Day-Age creationism dos not contradict evolution in the slightest.

Only Youg-Earth creationism contradicts evolution, and you don't see me supporting Young-Earth creationism.

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

That doesn't make any sense. You want to tell me about Google? What matters need to be simplified? What word are you referring to? Why did you put a space between "simply" and the period? Why didn't you capitolise the first letter of the next sentence? Why did you begin a sentence with a conjunction? What meaning needs to be found out?

Your posts are gibberish.

I would answer your question is you but answer mine post 1863 has more than one question and you post this as an answer??eace

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

I would love to know why you capitol letters.

If this is an English or spelling lesson at least you should know what an Interrogative sentence means for you either don't know the meaning forgot to answer or just dodged the questions using distraction .
So which excuse do you give now?

Don't understand how the interrogative sentence works?
Couldn't figure out the big words, forgot the answer? all my questions are simple have to be, after all I have been told as much by you.

Or distraction a bit old of a tactic to use , don't you think ?
PS. That was an Interrogative sentence " means a queation"eace

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Your continued abuse of the word "theory" is a major impediment to your learning anything.

Question, who uses the word theory the most me a Faith Believer or Atheist a non believer who believes in ? or is it nothing?
eace

 

[presluc]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Day-Age creationism dos not contradict evolution in the slightest.

Only Youg-Earth creationism contradicts evolution, and you don't see me supporting Young-Earth creationism.

Frankly I don't know what you support but if any body says they know where "it's at" "using slang I take it" to explain the beginning of how the universe started ,I might have a few questions..
It maters not to me what adjectives you use to describe what you follow or your belief or non belief is ,but there will be questions.
If answered with facts I will listen, if not or if dodged I will know what is being truly said, another of the old "take my word for it , or trust me crowd" they been coming and going for quite some time now. atheist, and organized religion, politician.eace

 

[Manc Skipper]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Question, who uses the word theory the most me a Faith Believer or Atheist a non believer who believes in ? or is it nothing?
eace

You frequently bandy it around showing little if any understanding of it's meaning, despite repeated tellings.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Re: Evolution vs. Creationism

Frankly I don't know what you support but if any body says they know where "it's at" "using slang I take it" to explain the beginning of how the universe started ,I might have a few questions..
It maters not to me what adjectives you use to describe what you follow or your belief or non belief is ,but there will be questions.
If answered with facts I will listen, if not or if dodged I will know what is being truly said, another of the old "take my word for it , or trust me crowd" they been coming and going for quite some time now. atheist, and organized religion, politician.eace

You insist on being supplied with "facts" in any replies, yet handwave them away when they conflict with your peculiar worldview.

What does a fact look like to you?