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Evidence Ties Manning to Afghan Leaks

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This is disgusting. Hopefully he gets at least life in prison.


Military officials said the documents already released contain names of Afghans who have aided the allied force, information that could potentially endanger some of those people.
WikiLeaks Publishes Military Files

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, a former director of central intelligence, is said by defense officials to have been deeply disturbed by the leak of the documents and was scheduled to hold a news conference Thursday to discuss the fallout.

Almost immediately after the release of the documents, investigators began focusing on Pfc. Manning, who had suggested in a series of Internet chats with a former hacker that he had obtained access to a similar cache of war logs from Iraq.

Evidence Ties Manning to Afghan WikiLeaks Data - WSJ.com
 

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This is disgusting. Hopefully he gets at least life in prison.




Evidence Ties Manning to Afghan WikiLeaks Data - WSJ.com

The fact that this information was so easy to obtain is startling, and that guy did commit a crime, but this is all information that needed to get out to the public. None of this information puts troops in danger that's ridiculous. I don't want to hear that oh well the President and press secretary said that it could potentially threaten troops. Of course they are going to put a negative spin on this, the Republicans would **** bricks if they said anything but that. This is made clear by the myriad of both Republican and Democratic pundits who've said that none of this information is really new.

This information needed to get to the public, and I'm glad that these guys did this, but they did break the law and they are going to face the consequences.
 
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The fact that this information was so easy to obtain is startling, and that guy did commit a crime, but this is all information that needed to get out to the public. None of this information puts troops in danger that's ridiculous. I don't want to hear that oh well the President and press secretary said that it could potentially threaten troops. Of course they are going to put a negative spin on this, the Republicans would **** bricks if they said anything but that. This is made clear by the myriad of both Republican and Democratic pundits who've said that none of this information is really new.

This information needed to get to the public, and I'm glad that these guys did this, but they did break the law and they are going to face the consequences.

Please explain what information needed to get to the public and why. Please explain how the naming of Afghani's involved in restructuring does not put them at risk.
 

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The fact that this information was so easy to obtain is startling, and that guy did commit a crime, but this is all information that needed to get out to the public. None of this information puts troops in danger that's ridiculous. I don't want to hear that oh well the President and press secretary said that it could potentially threaten troops. Of course they are going to put a negative spin on this, the Republicans would **** bricks if they said anything but that. This is made clear by the myriad of both Republican and Democratic pundits who've said that none of this information is really new.

This information needed to get to the public, and I'm glad that these guys did this, but they did break the law and they are going to face the consequences.

I originally thought no one was at risk from these leaks, but I was wrong. A large number of Afghans working less than openly for the US where named in the documents released. They are very much at risk.
 

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All of it.

Thank you for you long and well thought out post. "All of it" makes things so much clearer, especially with regard to the basis of your opinion. Thank you for your effort to try and help me understand why you believe this information needed to be public. Does this mean that you, All Mighty, have read all 75,000 documents? I am in awe of your greatness.
 

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The fact that this information was so easy to obtain is startling, and that guy did commit a crime, but this is all information that needed to get out to the public. None of this information puts troops in danger that's ridiculous. I don't want to hear that oh well the President and press secretary said that it could potentially threaten troops. Of course they are going to put a negative spin on this, the Republicans would **** bricks if they said anything but that. This is made clear by the myriad of both Republican and Democratic pundits who've said that none of this information is really new.

This information needed to get to the public, and I'm glad that these guys did this, but they did break the law and they are going to face the consequences.

Unless you read all the documents, how could you possibly know whether or not it puts troops in danger? What are you talking about? Further, anyone who blames President Obama for these leaks, is a lunatic, so I do agree with you there. But I don't hear anyone blaming him. BUT the fact that a Pfc could be responsible for this is just beyond the pale. *Shakin' head here.* It'll be just another, "We don't know who to blame. But it's not my fault." Or else the Pfc will get hung from the yard arm and that'll be the end of it.

Totally disagree that this information had to get out to the American people. I am so tired of people who think we need to know sooo much that we put our own security at risk.
 

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I am torn on this issue, but here is what I believe:

1) We need muckrakers. Without them, then we don't have the ability to see how much the government is abusing its power.

2) On the other hand, lives are going to be in jeopardy because of what was posted at the Wikileaks site. That is unconscionable.

I would say to those who support the government's side, the following: Open your damn eyes.

To Wikileaks, I would say this: Shame on you for posting everything instead of only what shows the government's abuse of power. You have sentenced more than a few good Afghanis to death. That fact alone leads me to say that, despite the good that was done by posting what you did, the bad so far outweighs it that you deserve a long time in prison to think about the irreparable harm you have caused to innocent people and their families. Journalism is a profession in which its members must act responsibly and ethically. You, sir, are no journalist. The damage you have done to the future of honest muckrakers is incalculable, and you will have to live the rest of your life with the fact that you are a murderer.
 
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If what Manning says helps to end the political farce in Afghanistan, he should get a medal.

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You disgust me. He risked other men's lives, and for what? And you think he should get a medal?
 

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I originally thought no one was at risk from these leaks, but I was wrong. A large number of Afghans working less than openly for the US where named in the documents released. They are very much at risk.

Collaborators who get paid by us can only avoid detection for a while. Sooner of later they'll all be targets for the loyal patriots.

ricksfolly
 

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Collaborators who get paid by us can only avoid detection for a while. Sooner of later they'll all be targets for the loyal patriots.

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And their families. What an odd view of the world you have.
 

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You disgust me. He risked other men's lives, and for what? And you think he should get a medal?

Hawks conveniently forget that we invaded a helpless, poor third world country for political reasons, not because it was a threat, so sentiment should be with them, not the big bad US bullies.

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Hawks conveniently forget that we invaded a helpless, poor third world country for political reasons, not because it was a threat, so sentiment should be with them, not the big bad US bullies.

ricksfolly

If you don't like the U.S., perhaps you should get the hell out.
 

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The fact that this information was so easy to obtain is startling, and that guy did commit a crime, but this is all information that needed to get out to the public. None of this information puts troops in danger that's ridiculous. I don't want to hear that oh well the President and press secretary said that it could potentially threaten troops. Of course they are going to put a negative spin on this, the Republicans would **** bricks if they said anything but that. This is made clear by the myriad of both Republican and Democratic pundits who've said that none of this information is really new.

This information needed to get to the public, and I'm glad that these guys did this, but they did break the law and they are going to face the consequences.

What qualifies you to make that statement of fact?
 

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The fact that this information was so easy to obtain is startling, and that guy did commit a crime, but this is all information that needed to get out to the public.

Names of Afghans who aided the Coalition needed to be made public? Are you ****ing kidding me? This guy gave material aid and comfort to the enemy, he is guilty of treason.
 

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Typical right wing hawk response. Fortunately your kind are in the minority.

ricksfolly

I am a left winger, and I think your position in this thread is not just wrong, but vile.
 

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Collaborators who get paid by us can only avoid detection for a while. Sooner of later they'll all be targets for the loyal patriots.

ricksfolly

lol, good to see that you consider the Taliban who terrorize every village that they're in to be loyal patriots but those fighting for a better future for their country are to be considered nothing but collaborators.

Eventually all jihadist collaborators will find themselves with get what's coming to them, and by them I mean you.
 

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If what Manning says helps to end the political farce in Afghanistan, he should get a medal.

ricksfolly

And by political farce you mean the war of self defense against Islamist Supremacism initiated by numerous unprovoked attacks on the U.S. culminating in the cold blooded murder of 3,000 U.S. civilians.
 

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Hawks conveniently forget that we invaded a helpless, poor third world country for political reasons, not because it was a threat, so sentiment should be with them, not the big bad US bullies.

ricksfolly

Jihadist sympathizers conveniently forget that we liberated a poor third world country in the grips of one of the most tyrannical regimes on the planet in response to numerous attacks perpetrated by a group which had a seat on that regimes ministry of defense, filled the ranks of its military in the 055 Brigades, was responsible for taking out that regimes most notorious Afghan adversary; leader of the Northern Alliance the Lion of Panjshir Ahmad Shah Massoud, and in return granted that organization the right to train for and coordinate numerous attacks against the U.S culminating in the cold blooded murder of 3,000 U.S. civilians. This was a war of self defense in response to the single largest attack on U.S. soil in our countries history, and you sit there and make the laughable assertion that they didn't pose a threat? Seriously WTF goes through your head?
 

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Typical right wing hawk response. Fortunately your kind are in the minority.

ricksfolly

Right wing hawk? My kind? If 'my kind' is the kind that values life and loyalty to those who fight for a better life then I'm proud to be part of that 'kind'. If that's 'my kind' then I assure you I'm not in the minority.

Afghanistan was a helpless, poor third world company. You're absolutely right. It's the whackos that were in the country bombing out cities full of 'poor, helpless' innocents of our country and their OWN country. What kind of despicable half-human would believe that there is no problem with exposing those who want a better life for themselves to disgusting criminals?
 
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