European leaders unite behind Ukraine following Trump-Zelenskyy confrontation

[TamleeB]

Or

Just vote them out and protest.
We aren't doing this sit down and shit up routine. You guys cried for the last four years lying up and down all day long.

What did I lie about? Specifics would be lovely…

 

[TamleeB]

No he wants a transaction for what we have done. That's how Trump works. He also blew this up to give him an out instead of just cutting the cord.

It was embarrassing to watch. Maga is embarrassing. People didn't vote for your world view. They voted for their own personal issues.

Your world view is perverted

Nah….Trump didn’t blow anything up. Zelensky did. Zelensky needs our money. Period.

 

[Port & Starboard]

America is Putin's bitch and needs to be kicked to the curb.

Lets see Canada's and Europe's pissant budget & military take over the costs..

Blah, blah, blah...

Let's see them put their taxpayer money where their mouth is.

You're replying to a poster who hates America. Not just Trump................................ but America. Me and you. He has stated this.

 

[exoplanet]

Nah….Trump didn’t blow anything up. Zelensky did. Zelensky needs our money. Period.

How are we supposed to actually collect on the minerals deal without having security in Ukraine first? I'm beginning to think Trump never wanted the minerals.

 

[Allan]

You're replying to a poster who hates America.

Link to where I stated that I hate America.

 

[911Sparky]

god damn. would you please learn the protocol for the visit? it was ONLY to sign the joint venture.

The rest of that stuff will come. although now Z might just be on his own. Trump said he's not going to give Z the backing of a great power if he's not onboard for ceasefire/settlement.. Russia says the same thing about a cease fire, but without the USA mediating for Ukr
who are they gonna use? the EU? way too much Russiaphobia from that crowd

So you think Zelensky should sign an agreement giving away half of his precious materials and receive nothing from trump in return? Putin would love to have you at the negotiating table.

 

[Tangmo]

They don't care that we're broke, because orange man very, very bad.
We are not putting any more money into a winless war. Nothing more. Not. a. thing.

Gotta cut taxes more for the Billionaires of America elites.

MagaMericans have to stop Putin bleeding in Ukraine. When Trump saves Putin from Ukraine Trump will own him.

As it is the agreement on Ukraine minerals going to the USA that will be signed no matter takes all those big bucks minerals out from right under Putins nose, right there in Ukraine. All Putin would have to show for his war in Ukraine is a lousy MAGA T-shirt.

 

[holbritter]

Because I can. I am good with people providing proof or not providing it. If it bothers you. I don’t really care.

Well, good thing I wasn’t worried about you caring. I was just curious of the hypocrisy. Good to know who you are.

 

[911Sparky]

Europe is led by a host of fascists who can hardly be described as Democratic. They stiffle the free speech of their citizens under threat of imprisonment and use gestapo tactics such as branding political opposition as hate groups and using that as a means to keep them under constant investigation.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention, the same thing is happening here. The administration has said they will be opening an investigation into Comey and they want to impeach judges who rule against them, exile news organizations who refuse to toe the line, they want to find some charge to level against OAC to stifle her speech. Looks like trump wants to go down the same road as Putin and Orban

They might not be anywhere close to Putin but they're moving in his direction.

So is trump.

 

[911Sparky]

I agree that it was planned. It appears that Rubio was left out of the planning, however.

Rubio should have resigned right there live on air. He has the spine of a jellyfish.

 

[Port & Starboard]

America is Putin's bitch and needs to be kicked to the curb.

Come down to Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Chesapeake Virginia and tell a few hundred thousand of us veterans that we are Putin's bitches.

Ya know...............since we are America.

I guess It is a easy thing for you to say while sitting behind your keyboard........................like a lot of your mealy mouth cohorts on here.

 

[Allan]

Link to where I stated that I hate America.

How ya doing on finding this @RetiredUSN?

 

[Ahlevah]

This is how it should be. Euorpe, Ukraine, and Russia are the REAL stakeholders. Rare earth deal is just something Trump threw in to try to make something happen. To Me Z and Putin are one in the same. Giant egos and fight to the death using other people's money and lives. US got involved early on to prevent Ukraine from getting overrun, but after the stalemate Biden and his followers were played like a fiddle to keep this war going on indefinitely. The rest is history.

The real stakeholders are those who believe in the post-WWII rules-based international order—basically, the people Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping hate. That’s why I stand with Ukraine.

 

[911Sparky]

You can "want to end the war" but you can't strike a deal with Putin and Zelensky without Putin involved.

trump thought he could make a deal to end the war without Ukraines involvement, right?

We're well into this war now with 3 years and over a million lost lives. The usefulness of calling Putin "a dictator who started the war" in the midst of an effort to bring the war to a negotiated end - escapes me.

trump calls Zelensky an unelected dictator, yet refuses to call Putin a dictator and you don't find that a little worrisome?
I think trump is more senile than Biden ever was.

 

[911Sparky]

Overnight, Trump has made Zelensky into an international hero of democracy and rule of law.

Zelensky is a real leader, he made trump and Vance look whiney and weak.

 

[911Sparky]

How many Trump supporters bought into his claim he would end the Ukraine/Russia war before he took office?
What happened to that campaign promise? Trump evidently at one time thought it would be easy. Guess it is not as easy as he believed.

Remember how trump was going to end the war in a day? Apparently that day wasn't today.

 

[gbg3]

I could care less if he trusts Trump. We don’t need Zelensky….he needs the US to keep funding his war. This is about money not peace for Zelensky.

This is the conclusion I'm reaching too. He wants the war to go on and the money to keep coming in. I'm to the point of wondering if the mineral deal even makes sense for the U.S. It might be best to just be done with Z altogether. If Europe wants to fund Ukraine and Z, that's up to them.

 

[911Sparky]

they follow the Biden plan. endless war and blank checks

It is probably pointless to remind you that the US was involved in a war in Afghanistan for 20 years, 4 of which were during the trump administration, and that it was Biden who got us
out of that war.

 

[anatta]

It is probably pointless to remind you that the US was involved in a war in Afghanistan for 20 years, 4 of which were during the trump administration, and that it was Biden who got us
out of that war.

got us out?? you mean a complete rout at Karzai international and 13 dead Americans?
Biden called it "messy"

The withdrawal culminated in the Abbey Gate terrorist attack on August 26, 2021, which killed 13 U.S. servicemembers, wounding another 45, and killed more than 170 Afghan civilians. The withdrawal concluded on August 30, 2021, when the last U.S. military aircraft left Afghanistan.

 

[anatta]

This is the conclusion I'm reaching too. He wants the war to go on and the money to keep coming in. I'm to the point of wondering if the mineral deal even makes sense for the U.S. It might be best to just be done with Z altogether. If Europe wants to fund Ukraine and Z, that's up to them.

the minerals are a red herring

Is Zelensky fooling Trump over rare earth minerals?

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/is-zelensky-fooling-trump-over-rare-earth-minerals/articleshow/118457093.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst Zelensky ‘fooled’ Trump on rare-earth minerals: Ukrainian MP A new angle emerged to...

debatepolitics.com

 

[GIJane]

The US took the lead, so why would they do that?

Biden took the lead because the Euro slow balled him, then when Zelensky came begging Biden gave him money and gear worth 100s of billions. Of which some of the money they can't account for which surprises me none at all.


Sooooo you're saying since Biden took the lead, the Euros should just set back and enjoy the show? This is THIER issue, not ours.

 

[911Sparky]

got us out?? you mean a complete rout at Karzai international and 13 dead Americans?
Biden called it "messy"

OK, how did trump do at extracting us from the war? Oh, that's right, he brought the Taliban to the US and negotiated with them directly, without any input from the Afghan government,
much like he's trying to do with Ukraine. Despite that, he was still unable to end the war and get our troops out. trump is an abject failure at deal making, yet he claims it is his strength.

 

[exoplanet]

This is the conclusion I'm reaching too. He wants the war to go on and the money to keep coming in. I'm to the point of wondering if the mineral deal even makes sense for the U.S. It might be best to just be done with Z altogether. If Europe wants to fund Ukraine and Z, that's up to them.

Putin could stop the war any time he wants. He doesn't need Ukraine's permission to leave. In the current climate, any peace deal made with Russia wouldn't last much longer than a few years at best. Then the invasion would begin anew.

The mineral deal never made sense unless the US was willing to protect Ukraine's ability to harvest it over a period of years.

 

[911Sparky]

You make my point.
trixare4kids said:
You and I both know better. This is all about their anti-Trump butthurt. Their team's not in charge and they can't handle it. That's the only thing they care about!

No, I don't have TDS, but I guess you have to say shit like that to cover for the fact that you support a felon who lied his way into the presidency and you fell for it like a naive teenager.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Biden took the lead because the Euro slow balled him, then when Zelensky came begging Biden gave him money and gear worth 100s of billions. Of which some of the money they can't account for which surprises me none at all.

Not at all. Biden took the lead because up to that point, the US was still in the mode of serving as a counterbalance to Russia in Europe, which has been the status quo since the end of WW2.

Sooooo you're saying since Biden took the lead, the Euros should just set back and enjoy the show? This is THIER issue, not ours.

Nope, that's not what I said at all, and has not been the case since the Europeans have been contributing as well. European nations have contributed $200b to the effort. Donnie Boy's $300b is a made up number not backed up in reality.