European leaders unite behind Ukraine following Trump-Zelenskyy confrontation

[Plasmaball]

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No people who like freedom and don't like mass Graves full of innocent people.

You support Trump you support mass Graves and are anti democracy. Full stop.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Ukraine is not a US-NATO ally. Biden helped Ukraine, conducted a proxy war, with the goal of weakening Russia. They were hoping to topple Putin and here we are three years later with no end to this war in sight. What do you suggest the US does next, Lovebug? Keep tossing money down the drain, and causing more death or try to bring about a peaceful resolution? If you think our country can't be trusted, as an American whose side are you on then?

So, you're saying Russia is an ALLY?

Clearly your political theory is shallow and mistaken

And it's really cheap-assed to call out individual posters. Thin skin is not a good thing to have in this endeavor. probably why you get creamed so much

 

[Peter]

I'm always a fan of bashing Trump but the Daily Mail is a steaming pile of manure.
It constantly prints pure bollocks and is a complete disgrace to the country.

It's just terrible.

 

[Plasmaball]

Nah…..It’s all good. Trump read the entire event correctly.

No he wants a transaction for what we have done. That's how Trump works. He also blew this up to give him an out instead of just cutting the cord.

It was embarrassing to watch. Maga is embarrassing. People didn't vote for your world view. They voted for their own personal issues.

Your world view is perverted

 

[trixare4kids]

I've read some pretty stupid posts in this forum, few would surpass this. ^

You make my point.
trixare4kids said:
You and I both know better. This is all about their anti-Trump butthurt. Their team's not in charge and they can't handle it. That's the only thing they care about!

 

[Fearandloathing]

I'm always a fan of bashing Trump but the Daily Mail is a steaming pile of manure.
It constantly prints pure bollocks and is a complete disgrace to the country.

It's just terrible.

Really?

Where can I get copies in volume????????

Look, I was a journalist most of my life. If a Brit is accusing one of his own papers of being 'pure bullocks" then it must be different and therefore accurate as none of the other Brit outlets even come close.

Brits have NO concept of Freedom of the Press.

BTW what the **** does "bollocks" mean? Speak English man!

 

[Peter]

Really?

Where can I get copies in volume????????

Look, I was a journalist most of my life. If a Brit is accusing one of his own papers of being 'pure bullocks" then it must be different and therefore accurate as none of the other Brit outlets even come close.

Brits have NO concept of Freedom of the Press.

BTW what the **** does "bollocks" mean? Speak English man!

It's a seriously terrible paper.
It's fascinated with celeb culture and the royals and thinks computer games are the work of the devil.
It's tried more times than I can count to claim someone accused of a crime did it because of violent videogames only to find out they haven't played a game sith the pong era and never retract.
Imagine all the most snooty fox presenters all trying to be as stuck up as possible in a competition to be the most obnoxious and you have an average copy of the Daily Mail.

 

[Airyaman]

I'm always a fan of bashing Trump but the Daily Mail is a steaming pile of manure.
It constantly prints pure bollocks and is a complete disgrace to the country.

It's just terrible.

That's what they're saying...if you even lose the trash rag Daily Mail, you truly ****ed up.

 

[trixare4kids]

No he wants a transaction for what we have done. That's how Trump works. He also blew this up to give him an out instead of just cutting the cord.

It was embarrassing to watch. Maga is embarrassing. People didn't vote for your world view. They voted for their own personal issues.

Your world view is perverted

Another who makes my point from a previous post.

trixare4kids said:
You and I both know better. This is all about their anti-Trump butthurt. Their team's not in charge and they can't handle it. That's the only thing they care about!

So, you're saying Russia is an ALLY?

I didn't write that.

Clearly your political theory is shallow and mistaken

Three fingers looking right back at you.

And it's really cheap-assed to call out individual posters. Thin skin is not a good thing to have in this endeavor. probably why you get creamed so much

Hypocritical much?

 

[Trumpetman]

What is this WW3 crap you lot spew constantly? Who do you think the combatants would be? Who are Russia's allies? Besides North Korea.
Maybe America would fight beside Russia against NATO, is that what you mean?
'WW3' is just a meaningless term that low-functioning rightists love to say. Kind of like 'open borders'.

WWIII would be Russia and perhaps China and Islamic interests vs United States and NATO.

What would World War III look like?

Military experts weigh in on the ways that a potential global conflict might start and play out, including major players and how soon nuclear weapons would be used.

www.newsweek.com

Maybe Newsweek can get you up to speed. I'm sure you call it MAGA nonsense now too.

 

[Trumpetman]

I never listen to what he says. He never says much.

So, if you listen to him, spill it. What is the deal on the table to end the war and Ukraine to remain free and democratic.

I would thought you would have shared that, instead of stating I havent' listened to trump.

I bet you won't post any war ending talks.
For you had to deflect to MSNBC. I never watch any 24/7 reality tv shows masquerading as news channels. They don't give news, they spin it. Just like fox lies does.

Your movement of goalposts are rant are duly noted.

You hadn't heard a word about peace. I gave you a direct quote from the direct matter being discussed.

As usual for the left you just double down on the denial.

Your concession is noted.

 

[maxparrish]

Effectively Trump has imposed an arms embargo, but not officially.

Flow of U.S. Weapons to Ukraine Has Nearly Stopped and May End Completely link​

As the two men met, it had been 50 days since the Pentagon had announced a new package of weapons to Ukraine and the new administration had said little about providing any more.

A Trump administration official said later on Friday that all U.S. aid to Ukraine — including the final shipments of ammunition and equipment authorized and paid for during the Biden administration — could be canceled imminently.

After Russia’s full-scale invasion of that country in February 2022, such shipments of military hardware from the United States were announced roughly every two weeks during the Biden administration, and sometimes just five or six days apart.

According to the Pentagon, about $3.85 billion remains of what Congress authorized for additional withdrawals from the Defense Department’s stockpile. A former senior defense official from the Biden administration said the last of the arms Ukraine had purchased from U.S. defense companies would be shipped within the next six months.

After that, it will be up to a host of European and other countries to keep Ukraine’s guns firing.

........With none announced since the inauguration, the final shipments of Biden-era goods have slowed to a trickle.

As of this moment there is not an embargo. As of this moment the US expects items to be paid for. As of this moment there is no clareity if and when Europe will purchase on behalf of Ukraine.

As I said if Trump puts America first then an embargo is a 60 billion dollar a year loss in sales to Ukraine. BUT if his absurdly inflated ego is in the way then as I said then it is very serious.

 

[trixare4kids]

the worlds piggy bank (USA) is in debt up to our eyeballs. no mas

They don't care that we're broke, because orange man very, very bad.
We are not putting any more money into a winless war. Nothing more. Not. a. thing.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

No he wants a transaction for what we have done. That's how Trump works. He also blew this up to give him an out instead of just cutting the cord.

It was embarrassing to watch. Maga is embarrassing. People didn't vote for your world view. They voted for their own personal issues.

Your world view is perverted

The idea that the transaction hasnt already taken place is absurd. Ukrainians paid it back with their blood & lives. But we all know it is $$$ that cons truly worship.

 

[Airyaman]

Doh! Not sure what to make of this.

 

[beefheart]

Blah, blah, blah...

Let's see them put their taxpayer money where their mouth is.

Propaganda

 

[gbg3]

Yeah, if they don't like the peace deal, let's see theirs.

Or maybe they want to keep the war going? But whatever Europe is willing to give, this is their opportunity to give generously to whatever it is they support.

Yesterday, I guessed this mineral deal with the U.S. will happen in the next couple weeks. I think Europe would like to see a negotiated end to the war rather than a continuation of it. Because - Europe will understand a continuation of the war will be their responsibility to provide/support. I think they will encourage Z to take another try at signing the mineral deal - but without Z tossing in any conversation of the next step (security issues). None of that was supposed to be a part of yesterday and Z knew that but just wouldn't let the plan play out as it was meant to yesterday. He wanted to begin discussion of the next (security) steps publicly.

I'm sure Europe now well understands the ongoing security will largely sit on their shoulders, but I think it's useful to them for the U.S. to have an economic and business investment in Ukraine.

Or Europe could try to work their own end to the war with Putin. That's another option they have.

So, three options -

• continued war supported and funded by Europe
• Trump's mineral deal signed bringing U.S. economic and business connections to Ukraine, a peace deal reached, and Europe sustaining the ongoing security measures
• a deal with Putin negotiated with Putin by Zelensky and assisted by Europe - the U.S. completely out of the picture

My guess is option 2 is in Europe's best interests (and will be their choice) but we'll see how the upcoming days play out.

 

[TobyOne]

Yes I support mass graves. Good call.

No people who like freedom and don't like mass Graves full of innocent people.

You support Trump you support mass Graves and are anti democracy. Full stop.

 

[Captain Mars]

Doh! Not sure what to make of this.

Wow!

 

[Emlee]

god damn. would you please learn the protocol for the visit? it was ONLY to sign the joint venture.

The rest of that stuff will come. although now Z might just be on his own. Trump said he's not going to give Z the backing of a great power if he's not onboard for ceasefire/settlement.. Russia says the same thing about a cease fire, but without the USA mediating for Ukr
who are they gonna use? the EU? way too much Russiaphobia from that crowd

god damn, would YOU please learn the protocol for the visit?

No, it was NOT ONLY to sign the joint venture. Dear leader lied, again, or perhaps he just didn’t know what the meeting was supposed to be about.

Zelensky had said prior that a framework had been reached but it didn’t include security guarantees, that the framework was just a preliminary step.
He went to continue talks, NOT just to sign.

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Zelenskyy said a news conference early Wednesday in Kyiv that a framework of an economic deal had been reached, but that it did not yet include U.S. security guarantees, which his country sees as vital. The full agreement could hinge on the upcoming talks in Washington.

The framework is a preliminary step toward a comprehensive package that will be subject to ratification by the Ukrainian parliament, Zelenskyy said.

Ukraine needs to know first where the U.S. stands on its continued military support, Zelenskyy said. He said he expected a wide-ranging conversation with Trump.

The economic agreement “may be part of future security guarantees, but I want to understand the broader vision. What awaits Ukraine?” Zelensky said.

Trump says Zelenskyy is coming to the White House to sign US-Ukraine critical minerals deal

The framework deal is a first step toward a comprehensive agreement that will be subject to ratification by Ukraine’s parliament, Zelenskyy said.

apnews.com

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[Plasmaball]

Yes I support mass graves. Good call.

I know. You also support a putin puppet and destroying America because it hurts the libs.

Maga is the enemy

 

[Plasmaball]

The idea that the transaction hasnt already taken place is absurd. Ukrainians paid it back with their blood & lives. But we all know it is $$$ that cons truly worship.

Apparently Trump is using putin foreign policy. That includes Canada as well.

I keep saying Russia gate was legit. Trump will become more and more bold with putin and maga is gonna bend over because it's fun to troll libs.

 

[trixare4kids]

Or maybe they want to keep the war going? But whatever Europe is willing to give, this is their opportunity to give generously to whatever it is they support.

Yesterday, I guessed this mineral deal with the U.S. will happen in the next couple weeks. I think Europe would like to see a negotiated end to the war rather than a continuation of it. Because - Europe will understand a continuation of the war will be their responsibility to provide/support. I think they will encourage Z to take another try at signing the mineral deal - but without Z tossing in any conversation of the next step (security issues). None of that was supposed to be a part of yesterday and Z knew that but just wouldn't let the plan play out as it was meant to yesterday.

He wanted to begin discussion of the next (security) steps publicly.

It's like Trump sensed, he isn't ready for peace. If he were he wouldn't have gone there. (bolded)

I'm sure Europe now well understands the ongoing security will largely sit on their shoulders, but I think it's useful to them for the U.S. to have an economic and business investment in Ukraine.

I hope they realize it, but better yet, they better make it clear their future intentions, how far they are willing to go with their ongoing security.

Or Europe could try to work their own end to the war with Putin. That's another option they have.

So, three options -

• continued war supported and funded by Europe
• Trump's mineral deal signed bringing U.S. economic and business connections to Ukraine, a peace deal reached, and Europe sustaining the ongoing security measures
• a deal with Putin negotiated with Putin by Zelensky and assisted by Europe - the U.S. completely out of the picture

My guess is option 2 is in Europe's best interests (and will be their choice) but we'll see how the upcoming days play out.

We'll see, and option 2 seems to be the most pragmatic of the trio.

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

As of this moment there is not an embargo. As of this moment the US expects items to be paid for. As of this moment there is no clareity if and when Europe will purchase on behalf of Ukraine.

As I said if Trump puts America first then an embargo is a 60 billion dollar a year loss in sales to Ukraine. BUT if his absurdly inflated ego is in the way then as I said then it is very serious.

"No clarity" is an understatement. It's chaos. But, that's what the Orange Criminal is known for, right?

I guess there is some chance that Congress will approve funds for Ukraine, despite Trump. But, that's a stretch. It would be political suicide for the Republicans in Congress to specify $ billions for Ukraine. Could the Democrats scrape a few Republicans off the bottom and push something through? My guess is no. But, there's always hope!

 

[ColdHardTruth]

What is acceptable in your opinion and who do you feel is the appropriate person/country/group of countries to bring your acceptable plan idea to fruition?

Russia being deported back to Russia. Followed by worldwide sanctions on Russia until Putin is out of office.

No oil sales, no external or internal flights.

No Russia diplomats being allowed in other countries.

Russia leaves all military equipment and weapons behind in Ukraine.

This would take the other countries in the world banding together to isolate Russia. Europe is there now, the USA was until the orange traitor sleazed his way into the office.

MAGA IS TREASON.