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EU: Green economy the solution to Europe’s job crisis

Yeah, that's the same line our prez has been trying to sell the American public. So far, our federal "investments" have done nothing to prevent bankruptcy of several *green* companies.
 
Switching to a green economy has been disastrous for Spain.
 
Yes green economy is future but not now as it costs € and we don't have extra € at the moment.
 
Germany's green economy is booming, according to what I've read. Although that's maybe partially because of subsidies.

At any rate, it's apparently beginning to pay off, as many green companies in Germany have become leading on their field and global demand is increasing.
 
Cyrillic said:
Yes green economy is future but not now as it costs € and we don't have extra € at the moment.
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But it will both save and make money in the long run considering how much we are going to end up paying for fossil fuels.
 
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Germany's green economy is booming, according to what I've read. Although that's maybe partially because of subsidies.
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Yeah, it's booming all right. You have even built a solar thermal plant near Cologne, which is kind of awkward, considering the sunshine in that part of the country. :)



We need to decentralise the power production and gradually abandon fossil fuels. Local co-generation would be best - minimal transport losses + hot water for domestic and heating purposes.
RES (renewable energy sources) are great and we need to learn how to harvest that energy, solar especially.

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At least Communists tried to improve the welfare of the poor, Greens don't even like humans. If Greens ran things you'd be begging for Communism.
 
Baltim said:
Spain's Green Disaster a Lesson for America - Finance - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

I'm having difficult copy and pasting as I'm on the phone but nine jobs lost for every four created is pretty disastrous in my opinion.
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So a right wing global warming denier says that Green energy is a disaster... who would have thought....

While solar technology is no where near as efficient as fossil fuel energy ... yet... it wont get more efficient if countries dont invest in the technologies to improve them. And unlike fossil fuels... the sun will be around for a very long time and if there is one thing Spain has a lot of... it is sunshine. If every house had solar panels for water heating and/or electricity then not only would people save a butt load of money but they could actually earn money and it would cut the energy consumption of a country drastically. Now of course doing this in the UK is rather stupid since the UK has like 5 days of sun a year, but then again it also has nice waves and wind ... which is why the UK is investing a lot in that.

Like it or not renewable energy sources and technology is the future and it is only the dumbest right wing hacks that cant see that... the same right wing hacks who failed to realize that you cant have a car industry which refuses to improve mileage and not get bitten in the ass when oil skyrockets in price.

As for the claim that 9 jobs were lost for every 4 created.. it is a hyperhole. There is no way they can know if a job was lost due to the green energy when jobs were going left right and centre in Spain due to the crisis. Plus to be brutally honest.. the 4 jobs created are jobs that will stick around, where as the 9 jobs lost in the fossil fuel industry are jobs that would go at some point any ways.
 
Yeah, as one can imagine, Spain is very suitable for solar energy. :cool:

 
The people need to realize that 250-300 foot windmill blades are Centralized Distribution of Energy, same as multi-acre solar generating for centralized distribution. Many countries are adopting these measures as Renewable energy initiatives and they are fraudulent in that respect. Local solar, wind, even home Internal Combustion generators that pump the exhaust (75% of the energy in the fuel used) into hot water tanks for radiant heating or potable water are the practical and economically effective renewable initiatives. Governments like to support the status quo of big Energy and that is the Centralized Distribution Network because they collect the various gov't taxes and deliver those taxes to the government, sorta like "partners in crime." It's hard to change the "status quo" when it hits their pocketbook.
 
The , and and we can underline "the" biggest problem with green economy is that humanity has/still is pushing forward non green tech that has years of research behind it and it's starting to invest into building techs that have one or 2 decades of development and expect them to be as profitable in short time with the old ones.

Essentially right now the best course of action would be not to get fast into the green tech but to pump money into , big money into developing that technology.It no use to us to spend billions building something that in 5-10 years would need to be replaced by things that are better.
 
Green industry hype is just dumb. The way to build up new industry is to promote investment, not to get the government to invest in green projects they would like to see. Thats why it has been such a failure, because many of these industries are never going to work out. In good times, the government can afford some malinvestments, but not now.

What European countries should do instead is to invest in existing technologies that we know work and promote private investment. That will create jobs.
 
Camlon said:
Green industry hype is just dumb. The way to build up new industry is to promote investment, not to get the government to invest in green projects they would like to see.
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That is what is happening in Spain.. they are promoting investment.

Thats why it has been such a failure, because many of these industries are never going to work out. In good times, the government can afford some malinvestments, but not now.
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No it has not been a failure everywhere. Where it has, it has been because of right wing global warmer deniers and carbon fuels companies spreading lies and a ton of money to kill off innovation.

What European countries should do instead is to invest in existing technologies that we know work and promote private investment. That will create jobs.
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LOL invest more in oil and gas we have to import?
 
PeteEU said:
That is what is happening in Spain.. they are promoting investment.

No it has not been a failure everywhere. Where it has, it has been because of right wing global warmer deniers and carbon fuels companies spreading lies and a ton of money to kill off innovation.
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What about Solyndra? What about Månelandingen? Greenpeace slakter månelandingen - tu.no/energi

Many of these projects fail, because they have no business plan and new technology tend to fail. Nothing wrong with investing in new techs, but I don't think it is a good way to create jobs in the short term.

LOL invest more in oil and gas we have to import?
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Well... I was thinking about roads, infrastructure, energy-saving houses/cars/etc, power, and more.
 
Camlon said:
What about Solyndra? What about Månelandingen? Greenpeace slakter månelandingen - tu.no/energi

Many of these projects fail, because they have no business plan and new technology tend to fail. Nothing wrong with investing in new techs, but I don't think it is a good way to create jobs in the short term.
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Business fail daily because they have not business plan.. It is nothing new. I dont know what Solyndra is, but I can throw you a Vesta as a successful green energy company. The problem is that there are so few of these companies that just one or two failing creates headlines by anti-green sources as proof that it is stupid. Funny how we dont hear the same headlines when shop after shop or idea after idea fails in other industries. Guess MySpace is an example on how big a failure this social media thing is right?

Well... I was thinking about roads, infrastructure, energy-saving houses/cars/etc, power, and more.
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We been doing that in Europe for decades and the government has pushed regulation to increase competition and standards. Our mileage on our cars (average) is a good example. Solar water heater requirements in Spain, or insulation requirements in Northern Europe. You seen how little energy a Swedish home uses for heating?
 
Does New York average 3 hours/day of sunshine in winter, and 12 a day in summer?
 
Matt Foley said:
...because it's on the same latitude as New York City?
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You have how many southern states? :)
Just put the stations there and collect the Sun's energy.
But yeah, it's best if electricity is produces "on the site", if possible. During winter you'll have to use the energy collected during the warm season (burning biomass, natural gas or useless crap). Also, you have hydro, wind, geothermal, etc.
 
Canell said:
You have how many southern states? :)
Just put the stations there and collect the Sun's energy.
But yeah, it's best if electricity is produces "on the site", if possible. During winter you'll have to use the energy collected during the warm season (burning biomass, natural gas or useless crap). Also, you have hydro, wind, geothermal, etc.
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That's nice, but building 2 power sources for 2 different seasons is quite expensive. You know it costs money to run those things.
 
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