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So you think discrimination prevents discrimination:lamo
This transition has been going on for a while now.
How did he go against the Pentagon? The Pentagon was ordered by a federal court to stop the ban.
And the military did. It was the Obama administration that said DADT is still in effect until further notice.
That isn't true either. The White House went to the Appeals Court and asked them to stay the ruling. The Appeals Court then stayed the ruling.
After the judge made her announcement, the Pentagon pushed down to suspend DADT to all branches after the Air Force took it upon itself to do it. It was the Obama Administration, through the SECDEF, that ordered DADT as the current law of the land which reversed the Pentagon.
That isn't true. The Appeals Court ordered a stay on DADT. In fact, the Log Cabin Republicans were challenging the stay in the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court just decided to uphold it.
On October 12, 2010, Judge Phillips ordered the military to suspend and discontinue any investigation or discharge, separation, or other proceeding that have been commenced under the "Don't ask, don't tell".[28] The Department of Justice responded two days later with an appeal and the request for an emergency stay to allow them to continue to work under the policy
In the mean time, the Pentagon issued orders to suspend DADT.
It was the Obama adminisration that countered this.
That is false. It was a federal judge that suspended DADT.
Okay since you don't seem quite aware of the facts, I'll present some news stories.
Federal judge orders immediate halt to 'Don't ask, Don't tell' ban on openly gay troops
Federal judge orders immediate halt to 'Don't ask, Don't tell' ban on openly gay troops
Pentagon Accepts Applications From Openly-Gay Recruits (in order to comply with federal judge's ruling)
Pentagon Accepts Applications From Openly-Gay Recruits
Appeals court keeps military gay policy for now...
Appeals court keeps military gay policy for now | Top AP Stories | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
Supreme Court: 'Don't ask, don't tell' OK during appeal
Supreme Court: 'Don't ask, don't tell' OK during appeal - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com
The Obama administration asked the courts to put a stay on the federal judge's ruling. Their positon has been that the policy needs to be repealed by Congress, not the courts.
What is wrong with you? This is exactly what I stated. Three posts in a row you stated I was false only to write exactly what I stated. You are making an argument over nothing.
The judge spoke, the Pentagon issued orders to the branches.
It was Obama's administration that reversed it and stated that DADT is still the law of the land.
I don't care why they reversed it.
Sure, they have those policies in place. Wanna know what? Discrimination because of race, sex, creed, color and religion happens, anyway. Nothing will stop covert discrimination. A DADT policy will go along way to protect gays and straights from being discriminated against.
Personally, I don't think throwing gay soldiers to the wolves is a good idea, not at first, anyway. If, after a few years and we see how things are going, then maybe it will be time to lift any and all DADT restrictions.
Anyone that thinks we can make the transition, overnight is living a fantasy.
You stated that it was the Pentagon that ordered the cease of DADT, when it was actually a federal judge and you argued that it was Obama that ordered that DADT continue when it was actually the Appeals Court. You were not even approximately correct.
The Pentagon chose to comply with the judge orders.
No, the Obama administration asked the Appeals court to stay the federal judges orders.
They didn't reverse it, the Appeals Court put a stay on the Federal judge's ruling.
For some reason you seemed bound and determined to ignore the facts.
Thats funny because I was about to say the same to you. The reversal he was referring to was to allow the current law to remain in effect. That is a reversal to suspending it.
And he is right again when he said the Obama administration pushed to keep the current law in place until the decesion has been made by the court.
You stated that it was the Pentagon that ordered the cease of DADT, when it was actually a federal judge and you argued that it was Obama that ordered that DADT continue when it was actually the Appeals Court. You were not even approximately correct.
The Pentagon chose to comply with the judge orders.
No, the Obama administration asked the Appeals court to stay the federal judges orders.
For some reason you seemed bound and determined to ignore the facts.
I wasn't debating with him that Obama pushed to keep the current law in place. He stated more than once that it was the Pentagon that ordered a suspension of DADT, when it was actually a federal judge, and that Obama ordered that the Pentagon continue the policy, when it was actually an Appeals Court.
Obama has been pushing to keep the policy because he wants Congress to repeal it in an orderly manner.
Care to explain to us how heightened privacy rules is dsicrimination?
Show the official policy, set by the DOD, that discusses the transition of openly gay service members into the system.
As always, thanks in advance.
Well, that's your problem. You are debating instead of conversing.
There is nothing for you to "win" here. You seem to be absolutely unaware of the Pentagon order to suspend DADT between the judge's finding and Obama's order to continue DADT.
It's like you need this all to be a civilian issue to work out and thusly deny the military involvement to end DADT. You know, because the military is supposed to be the gay man's mortal enemy.
Which reversed the Pentagon's order to comply with the ****ing judge. ****!
The judge called it unconstitutional. It was the Pentagon that ordered the halt. You are arguing for nothing.
The Pentagon suspended DADT in order to comply with the federal court's order. That is the fact, whether you wish to accept it or not.
I simply want you to stop talking bull**** and get with the facts.
Thank you! We are making progress. You admit that the Pentagon was adhering to the federal court's order.
YES, THAT IS THE FACT. The same damn fact I have stated over and over for which you cried was false. The Pentagon could have easily ignored it until the President said otherwise. Instead it complied to end the burden for which Obama came out and reversed.
They are the same damn facts!!!!!
I've stated this all along. Are you this dense? The judge ordered it unconstitutional, the military jumped at the chance to end the policy.
It was Obama that reversed this and kept DADT as the law of the land until further notice.
No the judge ordered an injunction on DADT. Do you know what an injunction is?
Judge orders 'don't ask, don't tell' injunction - Yahoo! News
Apparently you do not.
The Pentagon did not simply say, "Oh the courts said this is unconstitutional so we better stop" the judge issued a world wide injunction forcing them to stop.
An injuction is a court order. Thanks for the insult.
Of course, if it was the order you believe it is, then the President would not disobey it would he?
Explain to me how the Pentagon could have ignored a court injunction? Obama also did not reverse it, he asked the Appeals court to put a stay on the federal court's injunciton.
No they aren't. You refuse to acknowledge what an injunction is and that Obama did not issue some direct order to reverse things.
No it didn't. The judge had to order a world wide injunction to get the Pentagon to cease enforcing the policy.
No it wasn't. Even though it was Obama who pushed for it, it was the Appeals Court that put a stay on the injunction.
The Pentagon could care less about a court order. You don't seem to get how things work with the military. Unless policy is changed by the military or Washington, policy doesn't change. This judge gave the Pentagon an excuse to free itself from DADT and it took the leap. The same leap the Air Force took before the Pentagon issued the order. But let's just drop the bitching. We'll just say you "won" and call it a day.
I'm not sure I've heard of any case where the Pentagon has not complied with a court order but a win is a win.
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