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In these situations, I think usually one of several things happens, the woman either ends up leaving him because she just wises up, he beats her so badly that she is hospitalized or one of the children is harmed, OR the worse case scenario is that he kills her.
My biggest issue in this case is where she says he did not threaten or force her, but rather he was persistent and perhaps "bugged" her for sex, and she stated that she would eventually "give in" and THAT is not rape.
Well, if they just got rid of all the men they'd get rid of the problem. My understanding is that they are well on their way toward doing just that.
I'm not. I hate when women act like victims...it makes us all look bad. It makes it harder to believe those truly abused or raped.
I have little respect for a woman staying 3 yrs in an abusive relationship....she had no children to protect...she was complicit IMO (without more info). She makes us all look weak and desperate.
Since there were no threats, violence or force used, maybe he hypnotized her to stay with him for 3 years and have sex with him against her will. The guy was like Svengali, and she had no control over her own body.
Interesting analogy, but a little off the wall. At this point, we don't know much about this case, but Svengali and Trilby are a work of fiction, and not real life, and unless David Copperfield is the "rapist" in this case, not too believable, IMO. We shall see.
I like I said earlier, I speak from experience and know the signs. I even know men who thought they could do the same.
Sorry if I over-generalized.
Physical coercion is force. She said she was physically coerced, ergo she said she was forced.
It sounds like from her description though that the "physical coercion" was basically him rubbing the right spots or nibbling her ears or something like that, making her "feel good" til she gave into sex. He never threatened violence (and it sounded like she never felt threatened by him). In fact, it sounds very little different than some things I have experienced. Don't feel like doing it at the time, but someone (now my husband) is able to get me in the mood by simply hitting the right spots.
I'm sorry for your sisters but IMO, rape can not be blamed on the victim. In domestic abuse....there is an element of complicity. Unless you are a prisoner, you owe it to yourself and any other women to get out.
Ending rape on campus
Student-led activists movement fights to end rape on campus - CNN.com
Well. I don't know exactly how this makes me feel. I read through the entire article and it is nice to see action. There is a problem and something needs to be done. For that I am happy.
But one of those incidents does not fit in with the rest. Espinosa's. I don't understand how that is rape? Maybe I misread it. But it just struck me somewhere as...odd. And. Maybe. A little bit off. Everyone else can someone explain that to me?
The 19-page letter reminded schools that under Title IX, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex, colleges and universities must apply a "preponderance of evidence" standard to reviewing rape cases, which means they must operate under the assumption that "more likely than not that sexual violence occurred."
It sounds like from her description though that the "physical coercion" was basically him rubbing the right spots or nibbling her ears or something like that, making her "feel good" til she gave into sex. He never threatened violence (and it sounded like she never felt threatened by him).
Since the cops nor the administration officials found anything, I'm going with some sort of retaliation for hurt feelings.
There is a huge problem with date rape, horrible relationships of all sorts etc. but, this sort of whining, vanity article does nothing to help the matter.
Well, colleges are notorious for covering up rape scandals. Just look at Sandusky and how some people knew what was going on, but didn't say anything. (Penn State's Conspiracy of Sandusky Silence and Cover-Up Proven Via Emails : Outkick The Coverage)
Emotional manipulation is coercion. When coercion is used to convince a person to have sex or engage in sexual activities when s/he does not want to do so, this is sexual assault.
That is a dangerous standard. What constitutes emotional manipulation? Saying "you won't have sex with me, you don't love me, I'm leaving"? That could be considered emotional manipulation. If it causes her to consent to sex when she really didn't want to, are you calling that criminal sexual assault??
Thats an individual not a nationwide campaign
Yes, he was her boyfriend. No, he hadn't pinned her down, or threatened violence. But Espinosa insists that he coerced her, psychologically and physically, into having sex against her will for most of their three-year relationship. She resisted, told him no, pushed him away. More often than not, he persisted and she gave in "just to get it over with," she says.
It took five months for school administrators to reach the conclusion that Espinosa's complaint was "unsubstantiated."
When multiple media outlets and pundits suddenly use the same type of terms to dishonestly discredit someone for advocating a position with the intention of getting their audience to mimic them, it is a campaign. I don't believe that numerous people across the country spontaneously determined that Fluke was a slut just from seeing her testimony.
I think ending rape on campus is an excellent idea.
Ending rape on campus
Student-led activists movement fights to end rape on campus - CNN.com
Well. I don't know exactly how this makes me feel. I read through the entire article and it is nice to see action. There is a problem and something needs to be done. For that I am happy.
But one of those incidents does not fit in with the rest. Espinosa's. I don't understand how that is rape? Maybe I misread it. But it just struck me somewhere as...odd. And. Maybe. A little bit off. Everyone else can someone explain that to me?
I wish this would lead to positive changes but from what I have seen of the group it seems they just want people to criticize men for being pigs and to stop criticizing women for getting drunk. That's the sad thing about activists, they tend to make everything about culture and rhetoric and seem incapable of thinking of even the most basic instances of cause and effect. Like binge drinking on college campuses (by both sexes).
A lot of common sense could be stressed on a more frequent basis for these tragedies to lessen in frequency. I agree with you. A lot of campuses could also take a tougher stance against underage drinking on campus or toward those establishments such as sorority and fraternity houses whose charters they recognize at their universities. At the same time, young women could exercise a higher degree of discretion when entering some of these places and drinking without concern from a bathtub full of flavored 90 proof rum while guys are throwing a mattress off a balcony saying..."Have a seat!" It is a horrible blight on our colleges that such events go on, but at the same time, it doesn't do anyone any good to point fingers after the event, when we could have been working on prevention from all sides in the first place.
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