End of the Season Football thread.

[PeteEU]

If PSG and Chelsea were getting 140 million euros in guaranteed tv money plus prize money they'd be profitable too.

PSG will never get that much even if they were able to negotiate their own tv deals.. the French leauge is simply not that popular. As for Chealski, they are actually profitable now I believe.. well most likely not next season with Jose coming back and demanding a 100+ million pound investment in his usual suspects.

And Barca has an annual turnover of over 400 million Euros.. only Real is bigger.

 

[austrianecon]

PSG will never get that much even if they were able to negotiate their own tv deals.. the French leauge is simply not that popular. As for Chealski, they are actually profitable now I believe.. well most likely not next season with Jose coming back and demanding a 100+ million pound investment in his usual suspects.

And Barca has an annual turnover of over 400 million Euros.. only Real is bigger.

Are you seriously failing to see the point? Having a 140 million would pay payroll. Every euro or pound earned after that is pure profit. Which is why Real and Barca have their 400 million annual turnover.

 

[Andalublue]

Yes but the difference is that Barca has the actual income and backing, where as PSG, Chealski and Man City are in the minor leagues if it was not for their rich owners.

Silly hyperbole is just silly. You could say that about any top-level sports team these days. With Real and Barca you could say, "if it wasn't for their bankers." City was doing well in the Prem when the ADU group took over, having moved into the fabulous new stadium, getting 48,000 through the doors every game, and finishing 9th the previous season. So were Chelsea when Abramovich bought them, having finished 4th the season prior to the purchase.

I know you like to wind people up Pete, but it works better if you aren't so transparent when you do it.

 

[Higgins86]

Massive derby tomorrow! If we win then we pretty much secure 6th place and finish above the red scum, we would also still have an outside shot at a Champs lg spot.

 

[PeteEU]

Holy crap Wigan... well done!

And crying Man City fans on ITV...

 

[austrianecon]

Holy crap Wigan... well done!

And crying Man City fans on ITV...

Pretty damn good final. Wigan outplayed Man City.

 

[Higgins86]

hahahaha lets all laugh at City

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Roberto Mancini: Man City set to bring in Manuel Pellegrini

City officials met with with Pellegrini's agent, Jesus Martinez, in April. Martinez also represents Malaga midfielder Isco, a reported target for the Blues, and Mancini has admitted he did not know why the meeting had taken place.
His fate could have been sealed even before Wigan's 1-0 win on Saturday and, after his criticism of City officials, there are now suggestions he may even lose his job this week.
It is understood there is no formal announcement planned as yet but the silence surrounding Mancini strikes an ominous tone for the former Inter Milan and Lazio boss.
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Can someone explain why he's not been given the chance to settle and build? Man City could emulate the Chelsea merry-go-round if they're not careful.

 

[Wiggen]

And the Toon survive! No mass suicides off the Tyne Bridge today!

 

[Higgins86]

And the Toon survive! No mass suicides off the Tyne Bridge today!

Lasdt season you just miss out on a Champs Lg place and this season you just survive relegation. Classic Newcastle.

 

[PeteEU]

Can someone explain why he's not been given the chance to settle and build? Man City could emulate the Chelsea merry-go-round if they're not careful.

500+ million reasons. Plus I am beginning to suspect that the problem with City is not only players like Balotelli and Nasri.. but the whole management structure and manager himself. Not saying that egotistical morons like Nasri and Tevez dont have a big impact on team moral, but if the management system does not deal with them, then you have problems.

Look at QPR, where Boswinga basically said **** you to the manager and refused to sit on the bench... you can simply not have that in any management structure and he should have been fired on the spot. Instead he came back and today basically cost them the match today with the most pathetic display I have seen in a top league.

In the end, the owners of City have invested over 500 million pounds and expect to be relevant in all competitions and this season... they failed big time. Not only were they knocked out of the title chase by Christmas basically, but also totally out of Europe. Only the FA cup could have made it an okay season.. but instead it is an utter disaster of a season for a club that thinks itself as being one of the big clubs of Europe, and certainly one of the biggest spenders.

Mancini is done that is for sure. Question is who would want to be a manager for City with all the problems in the playing staff and high expectations that need to be met and I do not think that Pellegrini is any better than Mancini... he wont last a season so the "Chealski roundabout" syndrome has started at City.

What I find comical is how Mancini and some commentators have said, that City does not have a big enough team to compete in all the competitions they are in.. wtf? They have spent 100s of millions and they dont have a big enough team? They have more attackers (who cant score it seems) than most teams have players (yes that is a slight exaggeration).

 

[Wiggen]

Lasdt season you just miss out on a Champs Lg place and this season you just survive relegation. Classic Newcastle.

Newcastle may be many things, but dull is rarely one of them. Unless you look at their performances the second half of the season, of course!

 

[Andalublue]

500+ million reasons. Plus I am beginning to suspect that the problem with City is not only players like Balotelli and Nasri.. but the whole management structure and manager himself. Not saying that egotistical morons like Nasri and Tevez dont have a big impact on team moral, but if the management system does not deal with them, then you have problems.

Look at QPR, where Boswinga basically said **** you to the manager and refused to sit on the bench... you can simply not have that in any management structure and he should have been fired on the spot. Instead he came back and today basically cost them the match today with the most pathetic display I have seen in a top league.

In the end, the owners of City have invested over 500 million pounds and expect to be relevant in all competitions and this season... they failed big time. Not only were they knocked out of the title chase by Christmas basically, but also totally out of Europe. Only the FA cup could have made it an okay season.. but instead it is an utter disaster of a season for a club that thinks itself as being one of the big clubs of Europe, and certainly one of the biggest spenders.

Mancini is done that is for sure. Question is who would want to be a manager for City with all the problems in the playing staff and high expectations that need to be met and I do not think that Pellegrini is any better than Mancini... he wont last a season so the "Chealski roundabout" syndrome has started at City.

What I find comical is how Mancini and some commentators have said, that City does not have a big enough team to compete in all the competitions they are in.. wtf? They have spent 100s of millions and they dont have a big enough team? They have more attackers (who cant score it seems) than most teams have players (yes that is a slight exaggeration).

Your whole post is an exaggeration. Disastrous season? That would assume every team's season was disastrous with the exception of ManUre's and Swansea's. Ask QPR, Reading, Newcastle and Villa fans about disastrous seasons. Or even Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool fans.

I'm not yet assuming that the Mancini/Pellegrini rumours are correct. If they are it will be more about Mancini's relationship with the owners than anything to do with his management of 'tricky' players. City have no more than any other top club. Tévez isn't tricky, by all accounts. Nasri may be and I'd be glad to see him leave. I wouldn't be happy to see Mancini leave. He's a great manager and has achieved the cup and the league in the space of 3 years. For that every City fan is grateful to him.

As far as the Cup Final, well that's the magic to the FA Cup; the favourite doesn't always win. City's performance was very strange and annoying. Something was clearly wrong when players who have been so good for so long fail to perform. None of them played well, but the worst were David Silva, Gael Clichy and Yaya Toure, and all of them are usually dependable.

As far as the point about lacking strikers, we do. Our strikers are Agüero, Tévez and Dzeko. That's it. No other top team has as few. It was a mistake to not replace Balotelli immediately, and that wasn't Mancini's fault. When Agüero was injured, what options did Mancini have?

 

[Spriggs05]

Lasdt season you just miss out on a Champs Lg place and this season you just survive relegation. Classic Newcastle.

Classic everton always coming so close but never making europe.

 

[PeteEU]

Your whole post is an exaggeration. Disastrous season? That would assume every team's season was disastrous with the exception of ManUre's and Swansea's. Ask QPR, Reading, Newcastle and Villa fans about disastrous seasons. Or even Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool fans.

Come on.. Man City are ..er were English Champions and the amount of money put into the club the last 4 years is mind boggling. As a minimum the fans and especially the owners expect some sort of title... and no the Charity Shield does not count. You have nothing and did not even get close in most cases.

And yes Chealski had a horrible season, as did Arsenal. Liverpool also, since they wont qualify for Europe.

As for the other teams.. all were relegation candidates from the start of the season.. anything better than avoiding relegation is a good season.

I'm not yet assuming that the Mancini/Pellegrini rumours are correct. If they are it will be more about Mancini's relationship with the owners than anything to do with his management of 'tricky' players. City have no more than any other top club. Tévez isn't tricky, by all accounts.

LOL are you serious? He refused to play at one point and wanted out of the club because he hated the UK. Tevez is run by his handler, who only wants more and more money. His performances on the pitch has been less then good this season and some of last season.

Nasri may be and I'd be glad to see him leave.

On this we can agree.. but the problem is who would want him let alone be able to pay his insane wages. He needs a good beating so he can get some humility and common sense.

I wouldn't be happy to see Mancini leave. He's a great manager and has achieved the cup and the league in the space of 3 years. For that every City fan is grateful to him.

Yep but that does matter much for a big spending high ambition team. Not even close to the title, pathetic in Europe and then an FA cup final that was... lets say not too good. Not good enough. He is most likely done unless he can convince the owners that it was their fault for not allowing some insane big money signings during the January transfer window.

As far as the Cup Final, well that's the magic to the FA Cup; the favourite doesn't always win. City's performance was very strange and annoying. Something was clearly wrong when players who have been so good for so long fail to perform. None of them played well, but the worst were David Silva, Gael Clichy and Yaya Toure, and all of them are usually dependable.

I agree, and that is ultimately the fault of the manager. And it is not like it was the first time the team reacted like this during a big game...

As far as the point about lacking strikers, we do. Our strikers are Agüero, Tévez and Dzeko. That's it. No other top team has as few. It was a mistake to not replace Balotelli immediately, and that wasn't Mancini's fault. When Agüero was injured, what options did Mancini have?

Well guess you are forgetting Silva, Nasri, Scott Sinclair and all the reserve strikers and players. And even when Aguero was injured, Tevez and Dzeko did not play every game.. so I guess there were more than enough. Problem with the striking force... they underpreformed big time.

 

[Chatter]

And the Toon survive! No mass suicides off the Tyne Bridge today!

There may yet be mass suicides off the Wearmouth Bridge just down the road from Newcastle at Sunderland, should Wigan go on to beat Arsenal at the Emirates on Tuesday. :shock:

 

[Chatter]

Favourite TV advert at the moment, has to be this one from Irn Bru (made in Scotland from Girders) - :lol:

 

[Higgins86]

Classic everton always coming so close but never making europe.

Be interesting next year to see what happens without Moyes.

 

[Andalublue]

Come on.. Man City are ..er were English Champions and the amount of money put into the club the last 4 years is mind boggling. As a minimum the fans and especially the owners expect some sort of title... and no the Charity Shield does not count. You have nothing and did not even get close in most cases.

It depends whether you consider 2nd in 2 of the 4 available competitions constitutes 'not even close'. The owners expect what they expect, I've no idea what that might be. As for the fans, I can speak about what the fans expect. Man City fans are not ManU, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool fans who all carry their sense of entitlement in their DNA. We do not expect anything; we're just happy for whatever we get, if we get it. You don't seem to know very much about City fans. The supporters of all football teams are not the same.

LOL are you serious? He refused to play at one point and wanted out of the club because he hated the UK. Tevez is run by his handler, who only wants more and more money. His performances on the pitch has been less then good this season and some of last season.

You clearly haven't been watching City this season. Tévez has had a great season. The tiff with Mancini was last season. What evidence do you have that he's a bad influence in the dressing room? I've never read any such claim, and I read everything City-related. He's scored 17 goals and been our most consistent attacking-minded player.

On this we can agree.. but the problem is who would want him let alone be able to pay his insane wages. He needs a good beating so he can get some humility and common sense.

We do not agree. I'm not much of a fan of wishing violence on someone just for not playing football very well.

Yep but that does matter much for a big spending high ambition team. Not even close to the title, pathetic in Europe and then an FA cup final that was... lets say not too good. Not good enough. He is most likely done unless he can convince the owners that it was their fault for not allowing some insane big money signings during the January transfer window.

It hasn't been a great season, nor has it been the disaster you are cheering for. What will happen will happen and there's nothing more Mancini can do about it. I'd like to see him stay. Success is built on stability. It galls me to say it, but I'd rather City try to emulate the Man Utd rather than the Chelsea model of managing the manager.

I agree, and that is ultimately the fault of the manager. And it is not like it was the first time the team reacted like this during a big game...

Not necessarily. If, as appears may have been the case, you've got forces behind the scenes at the club undermining the confidence of the players in their manager, there would be a great deal of blame to levelled elsewhere than at Mancini.

Well guess you are forgetting Silva, Nasri, Scott Sinclair and all the reserve strikers and players. And even when Aguero was injured, Tevez and Dzeko did not play every game.. so I guess there were more than enough. Problem with the striking force... they underpreformed big time.

Silva, Nasri and Sinclair are midfielders. I'm sure even you know the difference.

 

[Wiggen]

There may yet be mass suicides off the Wearmouth Bridge just down the road from Newcastle at Sunderland, should Wigan go on to beat Arsenal at the Emirates on Tuesday. :shock:

Possibly, which would undoubtedly upset the good people of Newcastle! They might actually be selling 'How to Jump off a bridge' kits to them.

 

[PeteEU]

It depends whether you consider 2nd in 2 of the 4 available competitions constitutes 'not even close'.

Point is, you were 7 points behind at Christmas and that never really got any closer during the whole year... as I said not even close.

As for getting to the FA cup final.. /clap... but you did loose to a team that cost as much as one of your top stars alone, and a team battling relegation.

The owners expect what they expect, I've no idea what that might be.

To win everything. That never changes with such a team.

As for the fans, I can speak about what the fans expect. Man City fans are not ManU, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool fans who all carry their sense of entitlement in their DNA. We do not expect anything; we're just happy for whatever we get, if we get it. You don't seem to know very much about City fans. The supporters of all football teams are not the same.

okay...

You clearly haven't been watching City this season. Tévez has had a great season.The tiff with Mancini was last season. What evidence do you have that he's a bad influence in the dressing room? I've never read any such claim, and I read everything City-related. He's scored 17 goals and been our most consistent attacking-minded player.

Tevez scored 11 goals in the league. Dzeko scored 13 and Augero 11. That is not good enough.

As for Tevez.. he has been a problem in every team he has been in. There is a clear pattern, especially when he wants more money. He is a gifted player, but he is also a very selfish player... on and off the pitch it seems.

It hasn't been a great season, nor has it been the disaster you are cheering for. What will happen will happen and there's nothing more Mancini can do about it. I'd like to see him stay. Success is built on stability. It galls me to say it, but I'd rather City try to emulate the Man Utd rather than the Chelsea model of managing the manager.

No one should emulate Chelsea on managers.. It does not work well.

Not necessarily. If, as appears may have been the case, you've got forces behind the scenes at the club undermining the confidence of the players in their manager, there would be a great deal of blame to levelled elsewhere than at Mancini.

If the team is not preforming well then it is the managers fault. If the team preforms well despite off the pitch issues (read Malaga) then it is also the managers fault. That is how the game is.

Silva, Nasri and Sinclair are midfielders. I'm sure even you know the difference.

And Kompany is a defensive midfielder and Tevez and Augero are wingers.. your point?

 

[Higgins86]

City had a terrible season! Didnt even compete with United, humilated again Europe and they finish with no silverware. Mancini deserves the sack.

 

[PeteEU]

And there he went.. just confirmed 2 minutes ago on Sky... Mancini sacked.

 

[Andalublue]

And Kompany is a defensive midfielder and Tevez and Augero are wingers.. your point?

Your point was that we had plenty of strikers, and cited midfielders as proof. I've no idea what point you thought you were making.

Well, Bobby's gone and that's that. Move on. Looks like Pellegrini might be coming, but it's not a done deal. I'm not keen. I'd like to get a manager with a proven track record of success, like Mancini had when he arrived. Pellegrini's done well with two small clubs and performed averagely with a big club. I'm not sure what Beguiristain and Soriano think he'll bring that Bobby M didn't, but we'll see. If Pellegrini isn't a done deal, I'd like to see Roberto Martínez take over. Let's see if he really is as good as he has appeared at Wigan, and let him start a new era and a new dynasty at City. He could be with us for 30 years too!

 

[Andalublue]

City had a terrible season! Didnt even compete with United, humilated again Europe and they finish with no silverware. Mancini deserves the sack.

Forgive me if I don't give much credence to the opinion of an Everton fan on the subject of terrible seasons and European footballing success.