Electrocution for DP cases violate the 8th Amendment?

[Logician Man]

You have no right to life if a jury decides you don’t and therefore it doesn’t violate right to life. Execution is perfect justice. This is not a matter of being “in a hurry” to carry out executions, it’s that the federal government has not been carrying out their duties and now a backlog of approved cases has formed.

Following your logic regarding " if a jury decides", since SCOTUS ( the highest court in the land) has ruled abortion is legal, then you must also support a women's right to a 'legal' abortion, correct? After all, the law is the law in both/all cases.

 

[The Mark]

The death penalty is perfect justice, why are you opposed to perfect justice?

Because there are plenty of examples where for one reason or another it was applied incorrectly.
We killed the wrong person.

The danger of killing someone who should not have been is an injustice that I think outweighs any justice killing someone who may arguably deserve it holds.

 

[pamak]

You have no right to life if a jury decides you don’t and therefore it doesn’t violate right to life. Execution is perfect justice. This is not a matter of being “in a hurry” to carry out executions, it’s that the federal government has not been carrying out their duties and now a backlog of approved cases has formed.

Why do not you apply the same logic for mothers, fetuses and abortion?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Following your logic regarding " if a jury decides", since SCOTUS ( the highest court in the land) has ruled abortion is legal, then you must also support a women's right to a 'legal' abortion, correct? After all, the law is the law in both/all cases.

No, because a law permitting murder is illegitimate.

the telos of woman is to bear children and abortion is violation of this, and therefore it is disordered and evil.

 

[JANFU]

I have this position not for the sake of punishing someone, but rather so those ordering the death penalty know full well they are ordering someone killed, and cannot avoid the violence of it by hiding behind bullshit like lethal injection.
I would prefer no death penalty existed.

Thank you- My bad- read your post again

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Because there are plenty of examples where for one reason or another it was applied incorrectly.
We killed the wrong person.

there are no such examples, every person judicially executed by the state was guilty as a matter of law

The danger of killing someone who should not have been is an injustice that I think outweighs any justice killing someone who may arguably deserve it holds.

there is no such thing. If one is executed they were supposed to be. The process legitimizes the result

 

[ASHES]

No, because a law permitting murder is illegitimate.

the telos of woman is to bear children and abortion is violation of this, and therefore it is disordered and evil.

That doesn't sound like a secular reason, something required to legislate against something.

 

[Logician Man]

No, because a law permitting murder is illegitimate.

the telos of woman is to bear children and abortion is violation of this, and therefore it is disordered and evil.

Cite the law supporting your positive claim abortion is murder, plz.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

That doesn't sound like a secular reason, something required to legislate against something.

It is in fact a secular reason.
It is plainly obvious.

 

[ASHES]

there are no such examples, every person judicially executed by the state was guilty as a matter of law
there is no such thing.

Except for all those people found innocent after the fact, under the law.

 

[ASHES]

It is in fact a secular reason.
It is plainly obvious.

Obviously not or we wouldn't be arguing.

 

[pamak]

No, because a law permitting murder is illegitimate.

the telos of woman is to bear children and abortion is violation of this, and therefore it is disordered and evil.

Circular reasoning since you base your conclusions based on your belief regarding the purpose of a woman and the value of a fetus which makes its loss a "murder"

Also, what about the murders as a result of DPs?

National Academy of Sciences Reports Four Percent of Death Row Inmates are Innocent - Innocence Project

In a study released today, the National Academy of Sciences reports that at least 4.1 percent of defendants sentenced to death in the United States are innocent. The article, “Rate of False

innocenceproject.org

National Academy of Sciences Reports Four Percent of Death Row Inmates are Innocent

 

[LouC]

It does not violate sanctity of life to execute people for violation of the law. It is perfect justice.

How do you know the person is actually getting justice since justice is so flawed?

Doesn't the so called evangelical "sanctity of life" rule go something like human life, all human life, is sacred because it belongs to GOD?

Perfect justice? Only GOD can wield perfect justice. What you speak of is man made renditions of revenge and the Bible tells us that GOD had something to say about revenge, that it is his alone!

Do you think the Death Penalty reinstatement that ersatz president Trump is pushing is the only killing of folks he might try or has been about doing?

Evangelicals only believe in the sanctity of life before a person is born. Soon as that umbilical is cut and that ass is slapped it is "fend for yourself kid and by the way your life ain't worth diddley squat t us no more".

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Except for all those people found innocent after the fact, under the law.

The law terminated with execution. They died guilty and any post execution claims are just that: claims. Enemies of justice have every incentive to make allegations.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Circular reasoning since you base your conclusions based on your belief regarding the purpose of a woman and the value of a fetus which makes its loss a "murder"

Also, what about the murders as a result of DPs?

National Academy of Sciences Reports Four Percent of Death Row Inmates are Innocent - Innocence Project

In a study released today, the National Academy of Sciences reports that at least 4.1 percent of defendants sentenced to death in the United States are innocent. The article, “Rate of False

innocenceproject.org

National Academy of Sciences Reports Four Percent of Death Row Inmates are Innocent

Every single person on death row is guilty. If they were not guilty they would not be on death row

 

[ASHES]

The law terminated with execution. They died guilty and any post execution claims are just that: claims. Enemies of justice have every incentive to make allegations.

Is it your claim that only factually guilty people have ever been executed? And no, the law does not end at death.

 

[Lutherf]

So the death penalty is inhumane, abortion is a human right and deciding for yourself whether or not to shelter at home in fear of Covid is selfish...got it.

Oh, I almost forgot, arson, vandalism, assault and harassment are all peaceful protest.

I never thought I'd see America swing this low.

 

[LouC]

The death penalty is perfect justice, why are you opposed to perfect justice?

There is absolutely no proof the Death Penalty is "perfect justice".

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Is it your claim that only factually guilty people have ever been executed? And no, the law does not end at death.

The trier of fact in every American execution has determined the facts presented are clear evidence of guilty and assessed the penalty.

 

[pamak]

Every single person on death row is guilty. If they were not guilty they would not be on death row

The law terminated with execution. They died guilty and any post execution claims are just that: claims. Enemies of justice have every incentive to make allegations.

The fact that executions are based on existing law does not equate with the claim that the law served justice.

This applies to every execution from Socrates' to Jesus' to modern ones.

 

[ASHES]

The trier of fact in every American execution has determined the facts presented are clear evidence of guilty and assessed the penalty.

And after the fact, they can be shown to be wrong. Finding that person actually innocent under the law after the fact is entirely possible and should be, for example so any family members have standing for filing a wrongful death lawsuit. Of course the state wants to limit that, and does an excellent job of it.

 

[LouC]

The law terminated with execution. They died guilty and any post execution claims are just that: claims. Enemies of justice have every incentive to make allegations.

So they are no longer guilty of any crime once they are executed?

So the Nuremberg executions sent all of those Nazi's to heaven.

Woo Hoo!

 

[vegas giants]

The trier of fact in every American execution has determined the facts presented are clear evidence of guilty and assessed the penalty.

And gotten it wrong hundreds of times

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The fact that executions are based on existing law does not equate with the claim that the law served justice.

This applies to every execution from Socrates' to Jesus' to modern ones.

Jesus and Socrates both recognized the authority of the states that sentenced them to carry out the sentence.

 

[The Mark]

there are no such examples, every person judicially executed by the state was guilty as a matter of law
there is no such thing. If one is executed they were supposed to be. The process legitimizes the result

In plenty of cases it was determined after the fact that however legal the execution, the person executed was not guilty of what they were executed for.
This is unacceptable to me.