Huh?This isn't directed at me and even I'm confused about it...
Also that saying is obviously false as I am probably the biggest opponent to rape as I think it worse than any other criminal offense that can happen. Yet I certainly am not inclined to commit rape in the slightest. Part of my vehemence comes from the fact that my nieces were molested. The guy that did it is lucky that I never was able to see him face to face.
I was actually engaged in a Facebook debate on this story.
Someone on FB posted a link to this story and then added this commentary
HIM: "Thanks to our Texas Republican State Legislators this poor girl's nightmare is not over. If she would end up pregnant and make a personal decision to terminate her pregnancy. Texas new Law would mandate she have a sonogram 24 hours before the procedure and be forced to look at her fetus and listen to it before terminating her pregnancy." (They are referencing a pending law in Texas that will make woman get a sonogram before an abortion)
ME: Sad that this tragedy is being tied to politics
HIM: Sad that politics has to effect innocent third parties.
Me: I guess I never thought you belonged to the Westboro Baptist Church school of political protest - you know the one that says anything goes no matter how despicable the exploitation.
This 11 year old girl's horrific experience should not be u...sed for political points.
I'm surprised you don't see thatSee More
Female Poster: I dont really see how he is trying to gain any points. Hes making a point that in such a horrific situation she will HAVE to endure more suffering should she decide to terminate. This Bill itself is despicable and makes no exception for cases such as this. That is POINT he is making. Im not sure what points he could be getting other than pointing out the facts and flaws of this law and what victims of this type of abuse still have to endure after what they have already had to endure.
Him: (Snill) you don't get it, this is no longer about politics it's the reality. You will never get it, along with the Republicans who voted for this misogynistic bill. None of you will ever have to experience being spread eagle on stirrups, making one of the most difficult decisions of your life. I empathize as a gay man, with women across the state who are being degraded and subjected to fundamentalist trying to dictate their lives.
ME:
a) I think the sonogram bill is ridiculous. I would never support the state mandating a medical procedure.
b) You will never have the experience of being an 11 year old girl raped by a large group of older men and then have your pa...inful story used by others to promote a cause - even if it is a good cause.See More
Anyone care to tell me who is nuts here? Him and the female poster or me?
You, for posting a facebook entry here...
I was actually engaged in a Facebook debate on this story.
Someone on FB posted a link to this story and then added this commentary
HIM: "Thanks to our Texas Republican State Legislators this poor girl's nightmare is not over. If she would end up pregnant and make a personal decision to terminate her pregnancy. Texas new Law would mandate she have a sonogram 24 hours before the procedure and be forced to look at her fetus and listen to it before terminating her pregnancy." (They are referencing a pending law in Texas that will make woman get a sonogram before an abortion)
ME: Sad that this tragedy is being tied to politics
HIM: Sad that politics has to effect innocent third parties.
Me: I guess I never thought you belonged to the Westboro Baptist Church school of political protest - you know the one that says anything goes no matter how despicable the exploitation.
This 11 year old girl's horrific experience should not be u...sed for political points.
I'm surprised you don't see thatSee More
Female Poster: I dont really see how he is trying to gain any points. Hes making a point that in such a horrific situation she will HAVE to endure more suffering should she decide to terminate. This Bill itself is despicable and makes no exception for cases such as this. That is POINT he is making. Im not sure what points he could be getting other than pointing out the facts and flaws of this law and what victims of this type of abuse still have to endure after what they have already had to endure.
Him: (Snill) you don't get it, this is no longer about politics it's the reality. You will never get it, along with the Republicans who voted for this misogynistic bill. None of you will ever have to experience being spread eagle on stirrups, making one of the most difficult decisions of your life. I empathize as a gay man, with women across the state who are being degraded and subjected to fundamentalist trying to dictate their lives.
ME:
a) I think the sonogram bill is ridiculous. I would never support the state mandating a medical procedure.
b) You will never have the experience of being an 11 year old girl raped by a large group of older men and then have your pa...inful story used by others to promote a cause - even if it is a good cause.See More
Anyone care to tell me who is nuts here? Him and the female poster or me?
Ooops did I cross a forum etiquitte line due to my forum ignorance?
Those that argue the most vehemently against an action such as rape are generally those most inclined to commit said offense... you seem to be arguing pretty vehemently.
Ooops did I cross a forum etiquitte line due to my forum ignorance?
Whoa, nice personal attack. This has been reported! Good job!
I'm going to call you fycking liar and say quote me with one thing I said where I defended the actions of a murderer or rapist. Since I know you can't, shove it up your a##.
"Types" like you have a number and an orange jumpsuit. Well call them "lifers".
Committing one violent crime in the name of another is putting yourself at their level. I would look at you both and say "what idiots." :roll:
Do you have Children? Little Girls?
You'd also have to be prepared to spend the rest of your life behind bars, and rightfully so. Murders go to jail. Would you admit what you did or would you run and cower and try to avoid prosecution? Most people who talk big like this aren't actually prepared to stand by the full of the commitment and integrity of the position.
If it's such a ridiculous assertion, why the angry response? You've taken some personal shots, too. You as much as called me a rat and and a coward. The difference is, I know I'm neither of those things so I can still respond rationally to you. If you're gonna dish it out, you should probably learn how to take it.Whoa, nice personal attack. This has been reported! Good job!
I'm going to call you fycking liar and say quote me with one thing I said where I defended the actions of a murderer or rapist. Since I know you can't, shove it up your a##.
Do you have Children? Little Girls?
This has nothing to do with anything. I know plenty of kids in our extended family and I STILL don't want an innocent man killed. Sorry.
Too funny, now your changing the facts and your arguments. The assumption from the beginning has always been that we knew who committed this crime as in this case. What was all that non-sense about accepting consequences if you weren't assuming the same thing. Nobody would argue in favor of killing someone who's innocent. Good grief.This has nothing to do with anything. I know plenty of kids in our extended family and I STILL don't want an innocent man killed. Sorry.
This has nothing to do with anything. I know plenty of kids in our extended family and I STILL don't want an innocent man killed. Sorry.
If it changes your perspective, then it most assuredly does have something to do with the issue.
b.a.s.i.c l.o.g.i.c
Just answer the question instead of trying to be clever.
This has nothing to do with anything. I know plenty of kids in our extended family and I STILL don't want an innocent man killed. Sorry.
...hrrmm... Something certainly happened. But it's likely not at all how it's 'pictured' in the media. Scanty details, people wont even confirm or deny videos. If this comes out to be over the top and blown over (innocents have been arrested for committing crimes against minors the minors were led into making up). :shrug:
Whoa, nice personal attack. This has been reported! Good job!
This is what I was thinking. 18 guys together at one time, and they're all willing to rape a child?
M.u.t.u.a.l. S.u.b.j.e.c.t.i.v.i.t.y
His having a daughter would only alter a subjective view that is no less right or wrong.
tsk tsk tsk.
Ok, well this isn't one of those "one-time stupid decisions", this was gang rape. Those one time stupid decisions typically aren't the worst things ever, but gang rape that beyond stupid decision. That was conscientious, you really have to choose to rape someone. They knew what they were doing. They all belong in jail, there's no place for behavior of this sort in our society.
I'm not trying to come off as a tough guy at all. I don't think my position is at all admirable, but it is honest. It is probably more admirable to be able to forgive the miserable bastards.
And when I was in 6th grade not one girl in 3 different schools had boobs. (my folks moved 3 different times that year...really sucked)
IE you don't have kids. Until you do you will not understand. I know that when I was helping to raise my nieces (my sister was a terrible mother) I considered them to be like my daughters. However I never fully realized what that REALLY meant until I had my own daughter.
It's easy to say "I know kids" and "I love those kids as if they were my own", but until you actually have kids of your own then you won't realize the difference.
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