Fallenangel
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Violent clashes in Egypt amid warnings of civil war - Telegraph
"The renewed upheaval follows increased discontent from Mr Morsi’s liberal and secular opponents, who accuse the president and his Muslim Brotherhood organisation of hijacking the 2011 revolution that toppled the dictator Hosni Mubarak.
Opposition forces have vowed to stage a huge rally in Cairo’s Tahrir Square on Sunday — a year to the day since Mr Morsi’s election - which they vow will be a precursor for driving him from office. Organisers claim to have collected a 15 million signature petition calling for the end of Mr Morsi’s rule."
Another potential civil war in the making....
Fallen.
It appears that Egyptians are learning their lesson. Islamists are no better than dictators.
However, the biggest problem for Egypt right now is that these "opposition" groups have nothing to offer either - their slogans haven't changed, they only replaced Mubarak with Morsi - "Down with X!", "We want democracy...!", etc.
They don't know how to feed the nation, decrease the unemployment, solve the water problems, solve Sinai problems....
Why should their slogan have changed? They are still seeking democracy, the process will probably take a generation or two. I don't know where you get the impression that these things happen overnight.
Who does?
The elite, be it successful businessmen or even celebrities supported Mubarak during the revolution, also considering that the brotherhood initially supported Mubarak too until they realized hes going down, its fair to say that it is not "their" revolution.Not exactly, but the elites (sometimes secular and westernized) that grew under the rule of Mubarak, indeed find it very hard to digest that "their" revolution was stolen from them.
Why do you keep using quotation marks? how about putting qualified people in government as opposed to a bunch of poorly qualified Islamists from different Islamist parties? that alone would be a huge improvement, also how do you know what their slogans are?However, the biggest problem for Egypt right now is that these "opposition" groups have nothing to offer either
The elite, be it successful businessmen or even celebrities supported Mubarak during the revolution, also considering that the brotherhood initially supported Mubarak too until they realized hes going down, its fair to say that it is not "their" revolution.
Why do you keep using quotation marks? how about putting qualified people in government as opposed to a bunch of poorly qualified Islamists from different Islamist parties? that alone would be a huge improvement, also how do you know what their slogans are?
To the people.So in your opinion that revolution belongs to whom exactly?
Again you are speaking about something you have no idea about, do you know Arabic? do you keep up with the Egyptian opposition? can you actually name anyone form the opposition or any of their suggestions?How about offering some solutions besides the regular "Down with X!", "Put us in power instead!", and "Democracy now!" ...?
You also forgot to mention that these poorly qualified people where chosen by your own nation...
what about democracy?!?..the will of the people?!? ...or it's only democracy when the candidates that you like are wining...lol.
To the people.
The people did not make the choices and appointments that Morsi made, the will of the people is to have early elections.
Morsi Meter - ???? ????
Again you are speaking about something you have no idea about, do you know Arabic? do you keep up with the Egyptian opposition? can you actually name anyone form the opposition or any of their suggestions?
Am not Egyptian btw, and am not actually for democracy as it currently stands.
Yet again you have no clue about what you're talking about so why do you insist on embarrassing yourself? the site I linked it is not to a poll but for the president's failed promises.Ah yes "the people" and a facebook based "poll"....I loled.... the Salafi supporters, the Muslim Brotherhood supporters, the elites, the Mubarak supporters are people too you know, so I ask you again to whom this revolution belongs in your opinion? - and this time please spare me from your generic slogans.
Its funny that you are now asking me to provide you with the information you supposedly already have, its not how it works, if you know nothing about the opposition which you clearly don't, don't make silly claims about it and instead go educate yourself, Just because you haven't bothered doesn't mean its not there.So, educate me... show me their proposals how to supply work/food, recover the economy, prevent the Islamisation, solve the water problems, solve the Sinai problems - and to do all of this in short periods of time...and btw when you name these people and their proposals show me how much support they and their proposed policies have among the overall population.
So what kind of democracy do you want/propose - that in which only those who you support are ruling the country?
Fallen.
Yet again you have no clue about what you're talking about so why do you insist on embarrassing yourself? the site I linked it is not to a poll but for the president's failed promises.
The brotherhood has lost its credibility, hence the people are getting rid of them tomorrow. Those not supporting the protesters are mainly against them out of fear of increased security risk (which Morsi failed to deal with sufficiently) and not out of support for him.
Its funny that you are now asking me to provide you with the information you supposedly already have, its not how it works, if you know nothing about the opposition which you clearly don't, don't make silly claims about it and instead go educate yourself, Just because you haven't bothered doesn't mean its not there.
the one Palestinian can have.
and one thing about this topic, Morsi have not been president by Egyptian Voting in a legal election?!
I really did not understand what you were trying to say here...
Fallen.
first part is enough clear i guessand for second part:
the oppositions trying to get down Morsi by democracy slogan, my question is Morsi have not been chosen by a democratic election?!
Of course i don't...of course...lol.
Btw the "site" you linked is indeed relying on "polling data" from facebook - read through your own link a bit more carefully.
Our sample for the poll consists of about 3092 votes of internet users and Facebook. Distributed over most of Egypt's regions. In the period between 1.9.12 to 6.10.12.
So, instead of trying to jump around and avoid my question, simply try to answer it.
To whom this revolution belongs in your opinion?
Glad we've established that, it is not my job to educate you.Again...of course i don't know a thing...of course...so, go ahead and educate me.
As I said, the site I linked to is about measuring the president's success, not popularity. there is no way in hell he has a 40% approval rating in Egypt atm (the poll was conducted a year ago making it irrelevant), I don't need Facebook to know what people think when I can take a stroll outside and get the picture.
As for the question I've ignored it since I already answered it sufficiently, plus its silly to keep that asking it when its probably the least important thing you've said in the original post, anyway it belongs to the people. Those who participated in and supported it not the people who condemned it and wanted to stop it.
Glad we've established that, it is not my job to educate you.
The site you linked measures this success based on internet and facebook polling data, like i showed you in my previous post... lol.
You haven't answered a thing, instead providing empty slogans like "the people"... it seems that the people in your opinion are only those who you like, though.
But by your own definition, the Salafi supporters, the Muslim Brotherhood supporters are also the people - so who are you to say to them that this revolution belongs to someone else?!
So i ask you again; To whom this revolution belongs in your opinion?
Lol sharp? since you obviously know nothing about it your "sarcasm" isn't actually sarcasm but truth, ironic no?First of all, here is a lil definition for you - just for the sake of general education;
Sarcasm - is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt."
Like I said earlier it is not my job to educate you, go do what everyone else does, read a book or a newspaper or something, and stop giving your uneducated unsubstantiated opinions as facts you are not actually required to post in all threads in this section.Show me their proposals how to supply work/food, recover the economy, prevent the Islamisation, solve the water problems, solve the Sinai problems - and to do all of this in short periods of time...and btw when you name these people and their proposals show me how much support they and their proposed policies have among the overall population.
Fallen.
Second, now that we established that you have nothing to say except empty slogans like "Power to the people!".
Why should their slogan have changed? They are still seeking democracy, the process will probably take a generation or two. I don't know where you get the impression that these things happen overnight.
Who does?
I think that the Egyptians should go back to having a pharaoh. That worked for a good 3000 years, they could use a stable government again :mrgreen:
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