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Economic Crisis Foreseen -- and WW3? (1 Viewer)

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Not sure if this is the right forum, but I'll try it here:

I often have recurring dreams about a war situation since I was 14, which sparked my interest in future prophecies: I have been reading a lot about alleged future "prophecies" in the past 10 years. Not (primarily) in the Bible, but more obvious prophecies by alleged seers of all kinds. This kind of thing has tradition in Germany (well, in some circles). Most prominent is probably Alois Irlmaier, a faithful Bavarian guy who lived in the first half of the 20th century.

When you add up many of these prophecies, you get a certain scenario, because there are correlations between many different prophecies. Here the short version:

In a "year X", there is a severe economic crisis in central Europe. It gets so bad that there are civil war conditions in Western Europe, it's especially violent in France and Italy. Some sources say violent protestors topple the government in Italy and establish a new government. France calls out the army against the unrest.

Then, a war in the Middle East breaks out. One source "everybody yells 'peace', 'shalom'", which suggests Israel is involved and there is a large peace movement. Opposing fleets meet in the Mediterranean. One source says "a small people will do a huge wrong". Another source says "Syria has the key" -- for either peace or WW3.

When the unrest in Italy reaches its peak, the Pope escapes from Rome. That's in high summer of "year X", late July or early August. Only a few hours or days later, there is a sudden, unexpected attack by Russian forces on Western Europe. The population here did not see it coming and tries to escape in panick. The West is not prepared, America had withdrawn a large share of its troops from Europe a while before, and NATO retreats up to river Rhine. The Russians advance through Germany up to river Rhine without meeting real resistance.

Soon, the West starts a counter-attack to cut off Russian supplies: A line on the German-Polish border from the Baltic Sea to Prague is covered with a yellow chemical war agent that kills everything it falls on and does not allow troops to cross that line. The Russian advance soon collapses, most of its army is destroyed near the Ruhr-region by advancing German and French troops.

The Russians then detonate a nuclear bomb in the North Sea, causing a huge tsunami wave which floods most of North Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark and parts of England.

At this point, when the enemies are at the brink of using nuclear weapons large scale, nature interveens: A global natural disaster of unseen magnitude puts an end to the war. Dozens of prophecy sources describe this "three days of darkness". Maybe it's a meteor or comet passing by earth, maybe parts of it detonating on the planet, disturbing its gravity. The result of this "shaking" of earth are massive earthquakes, volcano outbursts and floods. The atmosphere is filled with a grey dust that prevents sunlight from shing through for at least three days -- and all people who cannot hide in rooms suffocate.

After a few days, this dust has settled and those who have survived (the death toll is between "a third" and 80% of the world population) suffer from thirst and hunger -- but only for a short time, a few weeks or months. Soon, some basic order is restored (at least in central Europe) and the survivers see a long time of peace and happiness. Religion experiences a renaissance, Christianity is back alife and the denominations unite.

So much the short version of the entire scenario. Without surprise, no year was mentioned as for when this shall take place, or when it was, it was a wrong year. That's why -- if you take any of this seriously at all -- the warning signs are relevant: Is the world speeding towards that scenario?


I want to share a few verses of these prophecies. Re: Economic crisis:
(All of this is in books I bought 2001 and 2006. It was not made up after 2007/08)

Buchela, a German-Gipsy seeress, said 1983:

"It will get bad with the money. There will be an inflation which is not as bad as in the 20s or 30s, but still so bad you cannot buy much anymore with your money. That does not mean that those governing in Germany have ruined the money. It will all be destroyed by the foreign countries. They will drag you along with them into the abyss of their incompetence."

Famous Bavarian seer Alois Irlmaier said 1959:

"Girl, you will see a great overthrow which will take place. First there is prosperity as never before. Then people apostatize as never before. Then a decay of morals as never before. Soon a large number of foreign people comes to the country. There is a high inflation. Money is losing more and more value. Soon after this, there is revolution. Then the Russians attack the West over night."


Re: War in the Middle East:Veronica Lueken 1975:

"I see something that looks like a map. I can see Jerusalem on it, Egypt, Arabia, French-Morocco. A very thick darkness is laying itself over these countries, and Mary says: 'The beginning of the Third World War, my child.' (...) Syria has the key for world peace or for the Third World War."

The "Amsterdam Message" 1947:

"I suddenly see Cairo clearly and a weird feeling crawls up inside of me. Then I see various eastern peoples: Persians, Arabs and so on. Then the woman says again: 'The world will be ripped in pieces in front of me.' And I see America and Europe lying next to each other. I see the writing: 'Economic turmoil, boycott, currency crisis, catastrophes'."

Alois Irlmaier, posthumously published in 1978:

"Everybody is yelling peace, shalom!
Then it happens - a new Middle East war suddenly flares up,
large fleets stand in hostility against each other in the Mediterranean.
The situation is tensed, but the really igniting spark is thrown into the tinderbox on the Balkans."


These, and dozens of other prophecies(?) can you find in books by Stephan Berndt (in German language. I doubt English translations exist. I made the translations above, so blame me for translation mistakes).

Amazon.de: stephan berndt: Bücher


I am not sure what to make of it. I try to maintain a skeptical distance to this kind of prophecy thing on one side, on the other, I find it hard to ignore how well much of it fits the current situation.

What do you think?
 
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Well, yeah, it's pretty much like that. Hey, German guy, why do you think there is few infants nowadays in Europe? ;)
The model of this civilization is exhausted. It's based on mindless consumption of natural resources and permanent economic growth :)confused: ), the financial system is actually a scam (money are turned into instruments of power, not value as they ought to be), crisis of identity, moral uncertainty, bread & circuses all along.
I hope the Maya are right and a giant wave washes us away of the surface of the world before we start butchering each other again. But that continues to be my wish.
I'll finish with the prophesies of an English 15-16c woman, named "mother Shipton", which gave them in the form of poetry:

...For in those wondrous far off days
The women shall adopt a craze
To dress like men, and trousers wear
And to cut off their locks of hair
They'll ride astride with brazen brow
As witches do on broomstick now.

And roaring monsters with man atop
Does seem to eat the verdant crop
And men shall fly as birds do now
And give away the horse and plough.

There'll be a sign for all to see
Be sure that it will certain be.
Then love shall die and marriage cease
And nations wane as babes decrease
And wives shall fondle cats and dogs
And men live much the same as hogs.

In nineteen hundred and twenty six
Build houses light of straw and sticks.
For then shall mighty wars be planned
And fire and sword shall sweep the land.

When pictures seem alive with movements free
When boats like fishes swim beneath the sea,
When men like birds shall scour the sky
Then half the world, deep drenched in blood shall die.

For those who live the century through
In fear and trembling this shall do.
Flee to the mountains and the dens
To bog and forest and wild fens.

For storms will rage and oceans roar
When Gabriel stands on sea and shore
And as he blows his wondrous horn
Old worlds die and new be born...

May be you can find it in your own language somewhere on the Internet. :)
 
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What do you think?

I think the problem with prophesies is that I could come up with a ****load of vague scenarios and, on a long enough timeline, every one of them will seem relevant at some point.
 
I think the problem with prophesies is that I could come up with a ****load of vague scenarios and, on a long enough timeline, every one of them will seem relevant at some point.

That's probably what it is.

But still I sometimes feel it's a bit too much for a coincidence, for example when I look at that Buchela quote from 1983.
 
well, yeah, it's pretty much like that. Hey, german guy, why do you think there is few infants nowadays in europe? ;)
the model of this civilization is exhausted. It's based on mindless consumption of natural resources and permanent economic growth :)confused: ), the financial system is actually a scam (money are turned into instruments of power, not value as they ought to be), crisis of identity, moral uncertainty, bread & circuses all along.
I hope the maya are right and a giant wave washes us away of the surface of the world before we start butchering each other again. But that continues to be my wish.
I'll finish with the prophesies of an english 15-16c woman, named "mother shipton", which gave them in the form of poetry:



May be you can find it in your own language somewhere on the internet. :)

yikes! 7 8 9 10
 
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I am not sure what to make of it. I try to maintain a skeptical distance to this kind of prophecy thing on one side, on the other, I find it hard to ignore how well much of it fits the current situation.

What do you think?

Hmmm- interesting stuff. I, like you, am pretty skeptical, but I think your observations are pretty spot-on. I was raised in a highly religious environment, so I was pretty much inculcated with prophecy-related beliefs. That being said, I have become very skeptical as I age. I don't live in fear of end-times scenarios, because I know that I can't change whatever the future holds. All I can do is stay prepared to the best of my ability- and that is something that I do.
 
I think the problem with prophesies is that I could come up with a ****load of vague scenarios and, on a long enough timeline, every one of them will seem relevant at some point.

Like what? Frying mankind in a nuclear war? Or giant tsunamis flushing civilization? Or flying men (aeroplanes) or TV?
Remember, many of these predictions were made before such things are even imaginable (see what I've posted before). That is, of course, if those prophecies are not fabricated post factum (i.e. after the event) and offered to the general public.

Here is another prophet for the ones interested that predicts some things about future events.

Beware, however, for the other name of the Antichrist is the "False Prophet", meaning He will come to power through (false) prophecies and with the help of prophecies.
 
Hmmm- interesting stuff. I, like you, am pretty skeptical, but I think your observations are pretty spot-on. I was raised in a highly religious environment, so I was pretty much inculcated with prophecy-related beliefs. That being said, I have become very skeptical as I age. I don't live in fear of end-times scenarios, because I know that I can't change whatever the future holds. All I can do is stay prepared to the best of my ability- and that is something that I do.

My religion teaches that the ability to foresee the future indeed exists among few people. But of course, not everybody claiming to be is indeed a real seer.

Indeed I believe that most so called "future prophecies" that are published or available online are obvious bogus, including the whole "2012" fuss and the various new "Nostradamus interpretations".

But who knows? Maybe a few gems are to be found among all the scam.
 
My religion teaches that the ability to foresee the future indeed exists among few people. But of course, not everybody claiming to be is indeed a real seer.

Indeed I believe that most so called "future prophecies" that are published or available online are obvious bogus, including the whole "2012" fuss and the various new "Nostradamus interpretations".

But who knows? Maybe a few gems are to be found among all the scam.

I suspect that the gems do indeed exist. I also believe that they refrain from seeking attention or drawing others to them. Imo, those who claim to be *enlightened* are the very ones who are mistaken.
 
I think the problem with prophesies is that I could come up with a ****load of vague scenarios and, on a long enough timeline, every one of them will seem relevant at some point.
Nostrodamus, the Book of Revelations...anyone can twist words into 'hey...that sounds just like the Kennedy assassination!
And Saddam is the anti-christ...oh...wait...he's dead...I mean...Achmadinijad...yeah!!!

Its not hard to imagine a doomsday scenario where a people that have been warring since the beginning of mankind might play into the final equation.
 
Hey, brother German guy, if you are interested in prophecies, you must have heard about the American prophet Edgar Cayce, haven't you? :) What do you think about his prophecies?
 
Like what? Frying mankind in a nuclear war? Or giant tsunamis flushing civilization? Or flying men (aeroplanes) or TV?
Remember, many of these predictions were made before such things are even imaginable (see what I've posted before). That is, of course, if those prophecies are not fabricated post factum (i.e. after the event) and offered to the general public.

That's what I like about the books by Stephan Berndt: Although calling his approach "scientific" would probably be an exaggeration, he at least diligently documents the sources for the prophecies he quotes. In the appendix, he lists the publications by name, publisher and year of publication.

That doesn't mean, of course, that everything he quotes is trustworthy, but at least it allows to do some more research.
 
Hey, brother German guy, if you are interested in prophecies, you must have heard about the American prophet Edgar Cayce, haven't you? :) What do you think about his prophecies?

Berndt quotes him a few times in his books, but I don't remember the details. Didn't he say much about huge natural disasters in North America?
 
Berndt quotes him a few times in his books, but I don't remember the details. Didn't he say much about huge natural disasters in North America?

Well, not only. Here is how the future map of the world might look according to Cayce after the pole shift:

EdgarCayceMap.jpg

Europe will be seriously hit too.

Here is another map I found (the above is not very believable for the US):

caycemap.jpg
 
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I think the same way Einstein could figure things out that weren't even within scientific proof or observable, others can figure from past and current events those events that might occur in the near future. The farther out the predictions to some point the less accurate I believe.

I foresee that Iran will become a bigger pivotal point in world history, than is currently predicted. And that the US currency will become a significant problem for the economy in the near future. But if I'm correct, I don't believe it makes me a prophet or psychic, simply able to see patterns in behavior and events.

Though I certainly don't rule out that somebody may have visions or prophecies of other origin. I don't believe in many extra natural phenomenon like UFO's, witch's, ghosts, magic but I do believe in a supreme being.
 
Well, not only. Here is how the future map of the world might look according to Cayce after the pole shift:

Europe will be seriously hit too.

Here is another map I found (the above is not very believable for the US):

I think both maps are sea-level rise (though the first one looks wrong/bizarre, even for 100m+). The US one ~20m?

At at either rate, no pole reversal (note, reversal, not shift, correct?) has coincided with any extinction event. In fact, no events can be found that coincide. It's almost surely quiet.



Damn, I'm in CT. Nevermind, have fun.
 
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Well, not only. Here is how the future map of the world might look according to Cayce after the pole shift:

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Europe will be seriously hit too.

Here is another map I found (the above is not very believable for the US):

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Oh yes, he was the "pole shift guy".

There is speculation whether the "three days of darkness" in the OP scenario might be such a pole shift.

I read the link you posted. It seems the author is a believer, he makes some bold statements on rather vague quotes by Cayce and on spiritual matters. So it's a bit hard to filter it. It's interesting that the author of the site mentions that Cayce said WW3 begins with war in Egypt, Libya and Syria. When I have time, I'll try to find the original verses by Cayce.
 
I think both maps are sea-level rise (though the first one looks wrong/bizarre, even for 100m+). The US one ~20m?

Not only. Note the "sea" at the Rockies? Perhaps there will be a collapse of the mountain. Well, at least according to that Cayce map. :)

At at either rate, no pole reversal (note, reversal, not shift, correct?) has coincided with any extinction event. In fact, no events can be found that coincide. It's almost surely quiet.

I'm not sure about that - pole shift, pole reversal, ax shift or whatever. I've heard theories (prophecies) that state the Sun will rise from the West those days. :shrug:

Damn, I'm in CT. Nevermind, have fun.

Don't worry, you never know when you're gonna die anyway. ;)

Oh yes, he was the "pole shift guy".

There is speculation whether the "three days of darkness" in the OP scenario might be such a pole shift.

I read the link you posted. It seems the author is a believer, he makes some bold statements on rather vague quotes by Cayce and on spiritual matters. So it's a bit hard to filter it. It's interesting that the author of the site mentions that Cayce said WW3 begins with war in Egypt, Libya and Syria. When I have time, I'll try to find the original verses by Cayce.

Yes, sorry, I googled it and posted the link on the fly. But Cayce is so well known that you can find the original anytime you want.
 
@Canell:

I believe the maps are just guesses made by readers of Cayce, who basically just did what ecofarm describes: The made the seas level rise. *If* there ever is a pole shift or anything of that kind, I don't think it's possible to predict the maps accurately.

IIRC, there are several prophecies (for the sake of brevity, I just say "prophecies", although I mean "verses that people claim are predictions of the future, although they might very well be bogus") that describe that after the "Three Days of Darkness", America would geographically be cut in two pieces and politically into four nations. Similar in England: Scotland and a part of south England become islands no longer connected. On the other side, new land emerges somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean.

I don't know how you feel about it, but even if most of it is probably bogus, I find the topic really entertaining. It would make great books or movies. :)
 
When googling for Cayce, I found this entry on a web board from 2006:

WW3 - New World Order - Pole Shift - Age of Peace (2006-2012)

Apparently, the chap there was convinced a war would take place in 2007. As we know, that didn't happen.

But it's interesting that he mentions the war would start in the Middle East, involving except Iran also Egypt, Libya and Syria.

So today we see a debate about both an invasion on Syria and an attack on Iran. After revolutions have toppled the regimes in Egypt and Libya. And Russia and China are teaming up at the UN to block sanctions against Syria.

Probably just a coincidence? Of course the guy was wrong about the date and the idea of "China invading Eastern Europe" appears rather absurd at the moment. But the players mentioned are in the game today.

Too bad he didn't quote the sources for the involvement of Syria, Libya and Egypt. If there aren't better ways to spend one's time in general, that is. ;)
 
@Canell:

I believe the maps are just guesses made by readers of Cayce, who basically just did what ecofarm describes: The made the seas level rise. *If* there ever is a pole shift or anything of that kind, I don't think it's possible to predict the maps accurately.

No exactly. As far as I know he dictated what he saw (he was a seer, right? ;) ) and described the geological changes.

I don't know how you feel about it, but even if most of it is probably bogus, I find the topic really entertaining. It would make great books or movies. :)

Yeah, movies like "2012" or "Deep Impact". :lol:

GG, and remember:
Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

P.S. Woah, post 777. :)
 
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Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

No one knows the day or hour but it also says there will be signs when the time is near.
 
No one knows the day or hour but it also says there will be signs when the time is near.

Well, that's all the fuss in this thread about, ain't it? :peace
 

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