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Early US intel assessment suggests strikes on Iran did not destroy nuclear sites, sources say

Allan said:
The solutions touched on so far...

Negotiations - me
Nuke it* - @reinaert
Hit it again - @Ikari

Negotiations: worked once before.

Nuke it: not happening. Nuking a country that doesn't have nukes (yet) would be widely condemned. Especially by US allies who'd get to live with the fallout.

Hit it again: meh. As @phoenix2020 pointed out earlier the facility may be completely protected from conventional weapons.

*@reinaert wasn't suggesting this, just that Trump might do it.
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I definitely wouldn't use nuclear weapons and I don't think it's a high risk that Trump would either. He could always surprise me but we'd be an instant pariah state and then poor Donald would never get his precious Peace Prize. (He won't anyway.)

That said, I can't offer any solutions. Negotiations sound terrific but without culture change in both Israel and Iran among the greater populace, I don't see it being particularly effective. And yeah, bombing again and again may not be effective. If I were Ultimate Dictator of the Universe, I'd probably task a couple of common allies to both nations (India comes to mind, but with Turkey helping out) to do what it takes to broker a real peace summit. I don't think a peace deal can be driven by somebody like the USA that stands in the camp of one of the two parties. We are by definition an untrustworthy negotiation partner. Trump's TACO habits only accentuate that liability.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I guess, but that argument can be made against anyone who crosses that line of revealing the truth if they feel the administration is misrepresenting information to the public.
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Facts are, nobody knows the truth to date.......but gossip and rumors from anonymous sources, lol.
 
Chomsky said:
I dunno'. I'm a Catholic. Many of us do a little prayer before big, important, or stressful events & challenges. Many of us find it strengthening, for lack of better words.
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I think it takes little strength, to do what she does.
 
What's the problem? The left has been telling us they're not even close to a bomb, that they aren't even trying to develop.
Did bombing the places that they are not making a bomb give them the ability to make a bomb?
 
TangoNoCash said:
Well I’m glad the president lying to you is “fun”. There’s lots more fun to be had in the next three years. If he makes it that far. Nice attempt to smear DP non Trump supporting posters as all being lgbtq. Some impressive third grade logic right there. I’ll make sure I inform my wife and kids of your profound insight.
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You're welcome.....always a pleasure.
 
redbeer said:
Problem is, especially CNN is that in the article we only hear from anonymous sources speaking on a report without the report being published in the article, so all we have are words of leakers. This spoils them and CNN, imo. Now if you have the report, please share it with us.
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The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Dan Caine said Sunday that while the damage assessment was still ongoing it would be “way too early” to comment on whether Iran still retains some nuclear capabilities.

I’m more inclined to believe that it was (is) too early to know the extent of the damage than I am to believe that everything was “obliterated” - when the conclusion everything was “obliterated” came before the smoke even cleared.

Common sense would say that it’s best to CONFIRM the damage before standing at a podium and claiming “obliterated” - especially when you’re talking about a facility buried hundreds of feet under a mountain
 
Anthony60 said:
What's the problem? The left has been telling us they're not even close to a bomb, that they aren't even trying to develop.
Did bombing the places that they are not making a bomb give them the ability to make a bomb?
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If they didnt want one before they will want one now
 
phoenix2020 said:
This is a tough situation for @Apocalypse since just yesterday he was absolutely convinced that the facilities were destroyed. Now he has to backtrack and say "let's wait for more information, it's too early to know" etc. Hopefully Donald can issue him some fresh talking points soon.
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It's really too early to know, and the nuclear facilities were destroyed, the question is how significant is the hit to the nuclear program, so I'm not sure what's this gotcha moment you're imagining here but it's non-existent.
 
Rexedgar said:
Not according to Trump & Vance and the regular suspects.
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I'm not his spokesperson last I checked. Just saying that it's too early to say one way or the other and we'll have to wait and see.
 
redbeer said:
Facts are, nobody knows the truth to date.......but gossip and rumors from anonymous sources, lol.
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There was an actual report from the Defense Intelligence Agency.

That is classified. And that 4 individuals spoke about - anonymously.

The White House has acknowledged the report but disagrees with its findings.

This isn’t a “hoax” by some anonymous source.

Report says A.
Administration says B.
 
BirdinHand said:
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Dan Caine said Sunday that while the damage assessment was still ongoing it would be “way too early” to comment on whether Iran still retains some nuclear capabilities.

I’m more inclined to believe that it was (is) too early to know the extent of the damage than I am to believe that everything was “obliterated” - when the conclusion everything was “obliterated” came before the smoke even cleared.

Common sense would say that it’s best to CONFIRM the damage before standing at a podium and claiming “obliterated” - especially when you’re talking about a facility buried hundreds of feet under a mountain
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Yes, I agree and to run off a story from CNN's anonymous sources and acting as if they are fact are just as bad.
 
The ceasefire came without either Israel or the United States being able to destroy several key underground nuclear facilities, including near Natanz, Isfahan and Parchin,” Lewis said, referring to the ceasefire between Israel and Iran that Trump announced on Monday. Parchin is a separate nuclear complex near Tehran.


“These facilities could serve as the basis for the rapid reconstitution of Iran’s nuclear program.”
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If the sites arent rubble they are too unstable to use again.. all that vibration either took out the centrifuges (broke them apart), or made
the separation less reliable.

How is iran going to clear all the top rubble and reuse the sites anyhow? But go ahead. They dont have the money and if they do so we'll rock them again
 
Anthony60 said:
What's the problem? The left has been telling us they're not even close to a bomb, that they aren't even trying to develop.
Did bombing the places that they are not making a bomb give them the ability to make a bomb?
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Let's count the ways it's a problem.

Trump decided to drop the bombs in the first place without really telling Americans anything. We're not even sure if he notified Congress or gave them updated intel to support his actions. Not sure how it would qualify as some sort of imminent threat if you can't even give pretty conclusive evidence.

He then saw that assessment and told and told the world we "obliterated" the Iran nuclear site, he lied. Come to find out, we didn't obliterate it. We bombed another nation for minimal damage. Also, if Iran wasn't "close to a bomb" before, I'm pretty sure they are motivated now. They were just negotiating a deal with the President and next thing you know, they were under a bombing campaign.
 
redbeer said:
Yes, I agree and to run off a story from CNN's anonymous sources and acting as if they are fact are just as bad.
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No, the POTUS pulled a “Mission Accomplished” 🤷‍♀️

But, it is just normal for him to lie and exaggerate.

So, now the question is:
Do you believe him or the defense intelligence? The White House seems to be insisting that Iran’s capabilities were “obliterated”. Intelligence seems to be saying perhaps that’s not the case.
 
Allan said:
I guess the program infrastructure is very well protected.

Starting from the position that Iran can never possess a nuclear weapon, and taking into consideration that America's biggest bombs can't completely destroy their ability to produce one, what is the next step?



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According to 4 unnamed people, a leaker with an anti-Trump agenda, and (again anti-Trump) CNN's gem, Kaitlan Collins. And the left is right here - thinking their hopes and dreams of U.S. failure and wishes for the survival and preservation of Iran's nuclear capabilities are being met.
 
gbg3 said:
According to 4 unnamed people, a leaker with an anti-Trump agenda, and (again anti-Trump) CNN's gem, Kaitlan Collins. And the left is right here - thinking their hopes and dreams of U.S. failure and wishes for the survival and preservation of Iran's nuclear capabilities are being met.
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