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I sent you the entire text. You quoted just one line from it, just as you accuse Wilders of doing.
The first verse shown in Wilders' film:
The rebuttal:
Do you honestly believe out of context scripture deserves intellectual scrutiny?
Degreez, you are quoting 861 and he is quoting 860, both one liners.
What I am saying, and it seems to be going right over your head, is that instead of quoting single sentences that you read the whole thing. You will then have the entire "context".
Why is this proving to be so difficult for you? Are you really stoned when you show up here?
You Shall Be Prepared: A Divine Commandment
8:60:You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster
It is amazing that a fragment has been taken from 8:60. The verse after 8:60 which is 8:61 is not listed. Obviously Mr. Wilder did this for effect. However he loses credibility when some may try to read the next sentence also which negates his original assertion.
[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
Also the ref to context in 8:60 is the story of Moses from the Bible and the Torah. The story is simply repeated in the Quran.
[8:53] GOD does not change a blessing He has bestowed upon any people unless they themselves decide to change. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
[8:54] Such was the case with the people of Pharaoh and others before them. They first rejected the signs of their Lord. Consequently, we annihilated them for their sins. We drowned Pharaoh’s people; the wicked were consistently punished.
[8:55] The worst creatures in the sight of GOD are those who disbelieved; they cannot believe.
[8:56] You reach agreements with them, but they violate their agreements every time; they are not righteous.
[8:57] Therefore, if you encounter them in war, you shall set them up as a deterrent example for those who come after them, that they may take heed.
[8:58] When you are betrayed by a group of people, you shall mobilize against them in the same manner. GOD does not love the betrayers.
[8:59] Let not those who disbelieve think that they can get away with it; they can never escape.
[8:60] You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.
[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
God Suffices the Believers
[8:62] If they want to deceive you, then GOD will suffice you. He will help you with His support, and with the believers.
[8:63] He has reconciled the hearts (of the believers). Had you spent all the money on earth, you could not reconcile their hearts. But GOD did reconcile them. He is Almighty, Most Wise.
[8:64] O you prophet, sufficient for you is GOD and the believers who have followed you.
Hey genius, it was you who was supporting out of context scripture as if it does anything to prove a point. Maybe if you stopped the marijuana use, your short term memory wouldn't resemble someone with Alzheimer's.
I've read the link involved and feel the context is quite clear. This "taken out of context" excuse is just an excuse. This is especially clear when the context is not being explained.
What evidence do you have that he never read it?
How many Muslims do you think there would have to be before they assume control?
Oh, I forgot to ask why, with all their concern for 'context', the grand Rupee 'rebuttal' stops at 8:64; was there something about 8:67 that might have showed them to be idiots? Why, yes there is, thank you.
Sorry? Did I miss something? Rupees? Rebuttals? 8:64? 8:67? What's going on? What's this all about? Has it got ANYTHING to do with Geert Wilders? If not, please stop. Stop playing silly games and debate the f**king subject! Red Dave, Picaro, grant and Degreez, please take this onto a thread designed for hair-splitting. If you haven't got anything to say about Wilders then don't say anything.
It has to do with some faux 'rebuttal' of what Wilders said in his film, so, if you don't know, or got lost, feel free to ignore what you can't keep up with. It indeed has a bearing on Wilder's film.
You are indulging in this charade to avoid discussing the important issues of what he stands for, what response should be given and what this means for real people,
not pseudo-intellectuals w**kers on an internet forum.
The grown-ups will be elsewhere.
REFUTING THE HALF-TRUTH AND LIES OF MR. GEERT WILDERS.
Aliph) The first verse that Mr. Wilders showed as evidence for banning the Quran was
You Shall Be Prepared: A Divine Commandment
...
8:60:You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster
It is amazing that a fragment has been taken from 8:60. The verse after 8:60 which is 8:61 is not listed. Obviously Mr. Wilder did this for effect. However he loses credibility when some may try to read the next sentence also which negates his original assertion.
[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
Also the ref to context in 8:60 is the story of Moses from the Bible and the Torah. The story is simply repeated in the Quran. The
[8:53] GOD does not change a blessing He has bestowed upon any people unless they themselves decide to change. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
[8:54] Such was the case with the people of Pharaoh and others before them. They first rejected the signs of their Lord. Consequently, we annihilated them for their sins. We drowned Pharaoh’s people; the wicked were consistently punished.
[8:55] The worst creatures in the sight of GOD are those who disbelieved; they cannot believe.
[8:56] You reach agreements with them, but they violate their agreements every time; they are not righteous.
[8:57] Therefore, if you encounter them in war, you shall set them up as a deterrent example for those who come after them, that they may take heed.
[8:58] When you are betrayed by a group of people, you shall mobilize against them in the same manner. GOD does not love the betrayers.
[8:59] Let not those who disbelieve think that they can get away with it; they can never escape.
[8:60] You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.
[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. God Suffices the Believers
[8:62] If they want to deceive you, then GOD will suffice you. He will help you with His support, and with the believers.
[8:63] He has reconciled the hearts (of the believers). Had you spent all the money on earth, you could not reconcile their hearts. But GOD did reconcile them. He is Almighty, Most Wise.
[8:64] O you prophet, sufficient for you is GOD and the believers who have followed you.
Surah VIII
'The Spoils Of War'
Surah 8:60 Make ready all thou canst of (armed) of force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not, Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged.
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
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