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Dow down another 1500 points Sunday evening.

dobieg said:
You might want to resist from calling members racist. That a direct attack and against forum rules,
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That doesn't bother me. What does is when someone makes that claim and doesn't show the post he is referring to and/or say why I am a racist. It's like someone accusing me here of lying and not saying why....not making any counter point.
 
Paradoxical said:
As always you are wrong again. This is from the best search engine out there called GROK.

Let’s break this down. The statement “being here without proper immigration documentation is not a crime” isn’t entirely accurate—it depends on the context. In the U.S., immigration law distinguishes between civil and criminal violations. Entering the country illegally, like crossing the border without authorization, is a misdemeanor under federal law (8 U.S.C. § 1325). That’s a crime, though it’s often not prosecuted as such due to resource constraints or policy priorities. On the other hand, simply being present in the U.S. without proper documentation—say, overstaying a visa—is typically a civil violation, not a criminal one (8 U.S.C. § 1227). It’s still unlawful, just not a “crime” in the technical sense.

ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) doesn’t need a criminal conviction to deport someone. Their authority comes from the Immigration and Nationality Act, which allows them to remove people who are in the country illegally, whether it’s a civil or criminal matter. Deportation is an administrative process, not a criminal punishment. So, even if someone hasn’t committed a crime like illegal entry, being undocumented (e.g., visa overstay) makes them deportable under civil immigration law. ICE can detain and remove them based on that status alone, no criminal charge required.

The confusion often comes from the fact that “not a crime” sounds like “not illegal.” But in immigration law, “unlawful presence” is enough to trigger deportation, crime or not. That’s how ICE operates—targeting people who lack legal status, regardless of how they got that way. Data backs this up: in fiscal year 2023, ICE deported over 91,000 immigrants, many for civil violations like overstays, not just criminal offenses. Policies shift with administrations, but the legal framework stays the same. Does that clarify things?


Now, look, I know that most here only listen to the bleeding hearts at PBS, MSNBC, etc. and only get the information that the Demonic-rats want them to have such as the tripe that Being here without proper immigration documentation IS NOT A CRIME but liberals owe it to themselves to not believe those clowns anymore, especially when they have access to the truth.
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Not wrong....I stated that 1. Not having proper immigration documentation IS NOT A CRIME. That is true statement. Your issues with reading comprehension notwithstanding.

You can post anything you want from someone on the internet and it doesn't change the facts. If you are in this country without proper immigration papers it is a civil violation of the law. It is not a crime.

So again you are answering a question and making claims on something made up in your head and not what was stated. I never stated they people without immigration status cannot be deported. I stated that being here without documentation IS NOT A CRIME. That is a true statement.

What is more important is that you seem to use Bob the internet guy as an authoritative source for you information. No wonder you are appear from your posts to be completely and woefully misinformed.

Also I noticed you completed disregarded the main point of my post which by demanding that people, I am sure not all people just people "who don't look American" to you, i.e. brown people, be required to carry proper identification with them at all times. This is an old Nazi tactic used by the green police to harass and subjugate civil populations. So again you appeal to authoritarian, racist ideology. Not surprising.
 
dobieg said:
You might want to resist from calling members racist. That a direct attack and against forum rules,
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I called his post racist and his post appealing to racism. But if the shoe fits.
 
smb3802 said:
Doesn't matter. Retirees are not buying stocks on the dip....there money is gone...gone...gone not that MAGA cares.
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Gone? Where? How could it be gone if it is still in their 401K? Where do you get this stuff from?
 
smb3802 said:
Not wrong....I stated that 1. Not having proper immigration documentation IS NOT A CRIME. That is true statement. Your issues with reading comprehension notwithstanding.

You can post anything you want from someone on the internet and it doesn't change the facts. If you are in this country without proper immigration papers it is a civil violation of the law. It is not a crime.

So again you are answering a question and making claims on something made up in your head and not what was stated. I never stated they people without immigration status cannot be deported. I stated that being here without documentation IS NOT A CRIME. That is a true statement.

What is more important is that you seem to use Bob the internet guy as an authoritative source for you information. No wonder you are appear from your posts to be completely and woefully misinformed.

Also I noticed you completed disregarded the main point of my post which by demanding that people, I am sure not all people just people "who don't look American" to you, i.e. brown people, be required to carry proper identification with them at all times. This is an old Nazi tactic used by the green police to harass and subjugate civil populations. So again you appeal to authoritarian, racist ideology. Not surprising.
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Please see the very first paragraph of my post relying on "Bob". Perhaps you are relying on AOC?
 
Paradoxical said:
Which post? The one you refuse to identify?
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I am not secretary to go searching through the thread for you. I quoted and it was obvious. You do your own searching for your own racist posts.
 
Paradoxical said:
Please see the very first paragraph of my post relying on "Bob". Perhaps you are relying on AOC?
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Ok it is not Bob is some AI computer program called GROK...big difference.
 
Paradoxical said:
Gone? Where? How could it be gone if it is still in their 401K? Where do you get this stuff from?
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Does that really need to be explained to you???? I will spell it out a simply as one can.

If you are working and you have a 401K you contribute to it. The money managers determine, based on how you allocate your funds to be used, to either invest this money or keep it a cash reserve or combination thereof.

This may be the hard part for you...

Once you retire and you start doing dispersing from your 401k guess what...you are not paying into it anymore...it is paying out to you as your retirement. Since you are not paying into there are no additional funds to invest. So if you didn't designate your money manager to move your money into a cash reserve and it is still invested in the market and the market crashes you are OUT that amount of money that the market lost. Even if the stocks that your invested in...provided your money managers didn't sell...sell...sell it is not likely to regain it former wealth in short term. It may recover over the long term but that doesn't pay the bills on your disbursements today. If you are living off your retirement and you suddenly go from a monthly disbursement of $1500 to $1200 or $1000 it has huge impact on your budget. But I know, I know grandpa should have paid better attention to his 401k etc. etc.

How about this...don't elect a delusional moron who is bat-s**t crazy and has delusions of grandeur as President. Then maybe they won't make up numbers base on bs to come up with "reciprocal" tariffs that crash the market? How about that.
 
smb3802 said:
Does that really need to be explained to you???? I will spell it out a simply as one can.

If you are working and you have a 401K you contribute to it. The money managers determine, based on how you allocate your funds to be used, to either invest this money or keep it a cash reserve or combination thereof.

This may be the hard part for you...

Once you retire and you start doing dispersing from your 401k guess what...you are not paying into it anymore...it is paying out to you as your retirement. Since you are not paying into there are no additional funds to invest. So if you didn't designate your money manager to move your money into a cash reserve and it is still invested in the market and the market crashes you are OUT that amount of money that the market lost. Even if the stocks that your invested in...provided your money managers didn't sell...sell...sell it is not likely to regain it former wealth in short term. It may recover over the long term but that doesn't pay the bills on your disbursements today. If you are living off your retirement and you suddenly go from a monthly disbursement of $1500 to $1200 or $1000 it has huge impact on your budget. But I know, I know grandpa should have paid better attention to his 401k etc. etc.

How about this...don't elect a delusional moron who is bat-s**t crazy and has delusions of grandeur as President. Then maybe they won't make up numbers base on bs to come up with "reciprocal" tariffs that crash the market? How about that.
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Translated: You made a mistake. The money is not gone anywhere.,
 
Paradoxical said:
This thread is about the Dow sinking and many snowflakes were nail biting and scratching their eyes out. Where did they all run off to. Could it be they are in hiding because the DOW is UP 1,300 points?
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Its good that the Dow is up, but another wave of tariffs is coming tonight.
 
smb3802 said:
Bat-s**t crazy acting bat-s**t crazy.
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Well that's part of the problem.

Trump today is talking more about deals which is probably helping. But there's more tariffs coming, and this current rise may lead him to believe he has the capital to hunker down on tariffs.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Well that's part of the problem.

Trump today is talking more about deals which is probably helping. But there's more tariffs coming, and this current rise may lead him to believe he has the capital to hunker down on tariffs.
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It's all so incoherent. If the goal is to bring manufacturing back, how does a "deal" help the other country?
 
smb3802 said:
agreed but the damage is done if not to our markets then to our relationships. No repairing that until until the White House is disinfected from bat-s**t crazy.
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Oh, NOES. NATO nations won't like America anymore because we still allow free speech and don't arrest people who pray or insult someone by saying an insult is racist and hate speech. They won't like us because we don't charge the citizens a 19% VAT like they do so they can give "free" health care. Those other countries certainly hate us now that we won't let their citizens sneak in here and give them freebies.

What are we gonna do? ARGGGHH! The sky is falling. Let's geyt Trump out and put the Communist globalist Kamala or Hakeem Jeffries in there.
 
Paradoxical said:
Oh, NOES. NATO nations won't like America anymore because we still allow free speech and don't arrest people who pray or insult someone by saying an insult is racist and hate speech. They won't like us because we don't charge the citizens a 19% VAT like they do so they can give "free" health care. Those other countries certainly hate us now that we won't let their citizens sneak in here and give them freebies.

What are we gonna do? ARGGGHH! The sky is falling. Let's geyt Trump out and put the Communist globalist Kamala or Hakeem Jeffries in there.
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Another non-sensical, off-point, post from the king of non-sensical, off-point post. You are arguing yet another strawman...yawn. Nobody is talking about the "points" you are making in this post. Just more MAGA talking points. Your post indicate that you have no original thought at all.
 
Paradoxical said:
This thread is about the Dow sinking and many snowflakes were nail biting and scratching their eyes out. Where did they all run off to. Could it be they are in hiding because the DOW is UP 1,300 points?
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Actually, it’s about Fauci and Herb Alpert. 😉

Speaking of the Dow, it’s still up, but seems to be fading a bit off of its peak, and it’s only 11:30 EDT. A pattern that tends to emerge in selloffs like this is investors come in in the morning with their “buy the dip” long bets, but in the afternoon we see people receiving margin calls or institutional selling in order to meet redemptions. So let’s see if this rally holds, or whether it’s just a head fake.
 
smb3802 said:
Another non-sensical, off-point, post from the king of non-sensical, off-point post. You are arguing yet another strawman...yawn. Nobody is talking about the "points" you are making in this post. Just more MAGA talking points. Your post indicate that you have no original thought at all.
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May I ask where you are from? Did you come from some other debate platform where you couldn’t cut it? You’re new but you post like all these other Libs of DP. Were you here refunded a different name?
 
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