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Enlist and effect a change. Train soldier how to deal with serving with openly gay soldiers. Put up, or shut up.
I quoted you and I'm lieing? Hmmm!
Well, it is a good point. However, it wasn't my point and I was very clear on it. The research going on right now is how best to impliment an open gay military post DADT not whether or not it is doable. Virtually all studies in the past were focused on why it can't happen. This study is very different. In the Commandants latest address to the Marines he stated that, based on his interviews and polls throughout the Corps, most Marines do not feel comfortable sharing a room with a homosexual. This isn't news. However, it very much goes into how to impliment an inevitable situation, which is what this study is about. Do you have any idea how many people think of "Just Jack" or the Birdcage when someone mentions homosexuality? Who's to blame for this? This current study is focusing on how to educate beyond the American mindset and how to jump the hurdles as painless as possible. Of course, training for our jobs in the mean time is somewhere on the list.
Do we really need to keep doing this?
Why would I join an organization where one of my chief duties is to follow orders, when I know I won't be able to reconcile those orders with my personal moral code?
I think the whole gay thing will blow over and people will just be doing their job like before.
Right, because an outright ban on serving if you're gay was so much better! :lol:
Feel free to continue to mischaracterize everything I've said while you're at it. It's blatantly obvious to me that honesty is not something you have any interest in, at least within the bounds of this discussion.
Feel free to fail to take responsibility, or assign it where appropriate, for the military's attitude on homosexuality. Another example of where honesty isn't what you're aiming for.
Well, then stop crying about how the military operates, if you're not man enough to get in there and help change it.
Especially, if you don't try to ram it down their throats.
Why would I join an organization where one of my chief duties is to follow orders, when I know I won't be able to reconcile those orders with my personal moral code?
Especially, if you don't try to ram it down their throats.
Not making thisd change till 20 years or so after the rest of the country has gotten over gays is hardly ramming it down the military's throats.
Well, then stop crying about how the military operates, if you're not man enough to get in there and help change it.
Gays will be serving and going home to their same sex partners soon with out fear of reprisal. And it really is not any skin off your nose apdst.
The suggestions as how to make the transition is ramming down the military's throat. It won't be received well.
The absolute worst place to change the military is from within, unless you are willing to spend 20 + years as an officer. Since the military works for the government, the best way to change the military is as a civilian working for the cause you care about.
Um...it was, because it was simply ignored. Look at the numbers. Court martials sky rocketed due to DADT. This is actually easy stuff here.
Honesty? I'm not the one behaving like a brick wall and ignoring the points I'm making just to cling to simple slogans and an obtuse sense of how things are.
Oh....I'm supposed to take respnsibility for centuries of tradition now?
Here you demand we be better than civilains, but earlier you declare that we are no better. You also declare us puppets for civilian masters and then seek to fault us for not defying civilian policies. Figure it out and then hold a discussion about honesty. You are all over the place because you are emotional.
I'm being as honest as I can with you.
Just like it's no skin off your nose if they aren't allowed to serve openly.
That couldn't be farther from the truth. Have you given any consideration to tactical readiness, when demanding these changes?
Stop crying about the lack of professionalism in the military, if you're too unprofessional to be a member of the military, yourself.
Yeah it rpobably is no skin off my nose but for gay military service members that are willing to put life and limb on the it is some skin off their noses.
The suggestions as how to make the transition is ramming down the military's throat. It won't be received well.
I'm not too unprofessional to sign up, I'm just smart enough not to. :lol:
I think the whole gay thing will blow over and people will just be doing their job like before.
I'm just not seein' it.
Yes. You do not need to be in the military to handle those concepts.
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