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Don Lemon says riots have to stop

aociswundumho said:
From your link:



This is total nonsense. The American people do not "broadly support" the violent BLM thugs currently destroying the cities and beating innocent people in the streets.

Furthermore, Politifact is left wing, and will say whatever conforms to the current narrative: PolitiFact Media Bias | AllSides
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First, they do have broad support: How Public Opinion Has Moved on Black Lives Matter - The New York Times

Second, "lean left" is not "left wing". The former implies generally in the middle, the latter implies steep political bias. Politifact is the former. It is about facts, which is what is being debated here. Facts are neither right nor left. Politifact has very high factual integrity is well sourced and cross-referenced. Politifact - Media Bias/Fact Check So, you have no basis of objection here.

BTW... thanks for the AllSides cite. Its not as thorough an analysis as MediaBiasFactCheck and skews left a little, but its good so see another rating agency. I will bookmark for further use.
 
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upsideguy said:
First, they do have broad support: How Public Opinion Has Moved on Black Lives Matter - The New York Times
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The NYT has about as much credibility as CNN, i.e. none.

Second, "lean left" is not "left wing". The former implies generally in the middle, the latter implies steep political bias. Politifact is the former. It is about facts, which is what is being debated here. Facts are neither right nor left. Politifact has very high factual integrity is well sourced and cross-referenced. Politifact - Media Bias/Fact Check So, you have no basis of objection here.
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From the link I posted:

In widely-criticized piece published April 2016, Politifact said it is false to describe a person by their biological sex if that person identifies with another sex. Assessing a presidential campaign ad by Ted Cruz, Politifact wrote that "it’s not accurate to say that transgender women are men." Following criticism, the website issued an editor's note and then changed the article to state, "it’s not entirely accurate for Cruz to define a transgender woman as 'a grown man pretending to be a woman.' "
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It's a garbage website.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Even IF BLM screws the pooch and becomes a venue for undesirable violent actors instead of peaceful protest, is it not incumbent upon all rational people to stick with the message, which is "BLACK LIVES MATTER".

People have been saying that black lives matter for four hundred years.
It's not like BLM invented it.
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Exactly, the are generally a single issue cause. If successful with the single issue, they may take on other matters of injustice in the black community, but that would depend upon the effectiveness of the organization. It appears that the movement is actually much bigger than the organization, so I doubt we will see BLM as the next NAACP or SPLC, and if we did, it would only be because BLM had an impressive organization and their second cause was compelling.
 
upsideguy said:
Exactly, the are generally a single issue cause. If successful with the single issue, they may take on other matters of injustice in the black community, but that would depend upon the effectiveness of the organization. It appears that the movement is actually much bigger than the organization, so I doubt we will see BLM as the next NAACP or SPLC, and if we did, it would only be because BLM had an impressive organization and their second cause was compelling.
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I've said it before, grass roots organizations sometimes succeed in making the leap to mainstream and sometimes they fail.
ActUP! was a very very anarchistic group committed to all kinds of outrageous actions. They even managed to infiltrate a session of the United States Supreme Court and pull a stunt!
And yet a few years later ActUP! leaders were sitting down and helping craft marriage equality legislation, which PASSED.

Some groups fail to adapt and in the case of BLM, if they do NOT become the next NAACP then NAACP will take up the mantle instead.
All this sturm und drang about BLM is a cute parlor trick designed to take attention off the MESSAGE - the GODDAMN MESSAGE.

The message is BLACK LIVES MATTER.
 
aociswundumho said:
The NYT has about as much credibility as CNN, i.e. none.



From the link I posted:



It's a garbage website.
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No, the New York Times is largely considered one of greatest newspaper in the world. It hires some of the world's best journalists and runs a journalistic process of fact-checking and review that is second to none.

Top 10 Newspapers in the World 2020, Best Newspapers in the World
10 Journalism Brands Where You Find Real Facts Rather Than Alternative Facts
New York Times - Media Bias/Fact Check

AND what I showed you was poll. If you have an issue, please take an issue with the poll. Since you did not, nor offered anything to the contrary, we all will accept your acceptance of the notion that BLM is indeed widely supported. It is an outstanding source for news.

Politifact is generally considered one of the best fact checking organizations in journalism. I am sorry you do not understand that. Your link of criticism, unfortunately, is a matter of opinion, not of really of fact. In this instance, they should not have stated their opinion as fact unless it was referenced, which it may have been (can't tell from you inclusion).

But, there is a bigger problem here. It seems that you simply can not deal with news that is contrary to your world view. Clearly established, high factual integrity news sources are foreign and offensive to you. I suspect you are addicted to political porn and your mind goes numb when you step outside that bubble. That explains the post I originally took exception to. As moving someone from a political porn addiction is above my pay grade, I will move on.

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upsideguy said:
It seems that you simply can not deal with news that is contrary to your world view. I suspect you are addicted to political porn and your mind goes numb when you step outside that bubble.
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You're arguing with a person who goes by "aociswundumho" so there's that.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
If he had done anything like the above, his reelection would be in the bag.
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It requires empathy, which he is incapable of. Normal human beings have a hard time comprehending someone like Trump that has a total lack of conscience, a total inability to empathize, and the kind of malignant solipsism that only occurs when you combine a sociopath with a massive inferiority complex.
 
upsideguy said:
No, the New York Times is largely considered one of greatest newspaper in the world. It hires some of the world's best journalists and runs a journalistic process of fact-checking and review that is second to none.

Top 10 Newspapers in the World 2020, Best Newspapers in the World
10 Journalism Brands Where You Find Real Facts Rather Than Alternative Facts
New York Times - Media Bias/Fact Check

AND what I showed you was poll. If you have an issue, please take an issue with the poll. Since you did not, nor offered anything to the contrary, we all will accept your acceptance of the notion that BLM is indeed widely supported. It is an outstanding source for news.

Politifact is generally considered one of the best fact checking organizations in journalism. I am sorry you do not understand that. Your link of criticism, unfortunately, is a matter of opinion, not of really of fact. In this instance, they should not have stated their opinion as fact unless it was referenced, which it may have been (can't tell from you inclusion).

But, there is a bigger problem here. It seems that you simply can not deal with news that is contrary to your world view. Clearly established, high factual integrity news sources are foreign and offensive to you. I suspect you are addicted to political porn and your mind goes numb when you step outside that bubble. That explains the post I originally took exception to. As moving someone from a political porn addiction is above my pay grade, I will move on.

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I largely agree with that chart, but Huffpost is utter garbage anymore. I would put it near the bottom these days.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Maybe he could start by acknowledging the reality of systemic racism. He could also fire white nationalists in his own administration like Stephen Miller. He should have traveled to Minnesota and spoke about police brutality from Minneapolis. When a tragedy occurs, presidents usually travel to the site of the tragedy and speak about the tragedy. Maybe he should not have teargassed peacefully assembled protestors in Washington Square so that he could have a photo-op holding up a bible he has never read in front of a church he has never attended. Maybe he could drop the David Duke/George Wallace rhetoric about the invasion of the suburbs... During a time like this, a dumber version of George Wallace is not what you want in the White House.
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You're using the premise that the concept of "systemic racism" and "police brutality" are a thing, and there are many that don't agree with these concepts.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I largely agree with that chart, but Huffpost is utter garbage anymore. I would put it near the bottom these days.
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I don't think I have ever read the Huff Post, they rate it pretty high.

I generally do read mostly things in the middle green box.... especially the NYT, WSJ and the Economist. I just noticed it includes my local newspaper, the Denver Post, high and right in the middle. The one skewed news source I do watch/listen is MSNBC, but I always double check what I learned there with something in the middle. MSNBC, by this chart, has a higher reliability rating than Fox (which having watched both, I think is correct), where many people on the right go to FOX to "verify" what they learned from WND or American Thinker, that is scary.

Also did not think of Real Clear Politics as something to the right of center before. This chart rates the reliability of Daily Caller, Brietbart, CNS, The Blaze as somewhat higher than it rated them in the past. Fox News, however, has been falling in reliability, which is consistent with my observations. They were never great, but they use to be much better.

This chart is pretty consistent with this: Media Bias/Fact Check - Search and Learn the Bias of News Media

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
His response should NOT be to demonize everyone who did not support him, his response should NOT be to cast all cities with Democrat populations as terrorist, immoral, and undeserving of help. His response should NOT be to further divide America and stir up hostilities.
At this point, given his performance so far, I fully expect his response to be all that and more as typified by his performance on Night #4 of the RNC.



Kellyanne Conway DIRECT QUOTE

Thank you Kellyanne for proving that Trump actually wants MORE violence and unrest and will do anything he can to stir the pot some more.Putin playbook ENGAGED.
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Perhaps Democrat leaders at the local and state level should heed her advice. BLM appear to be Trump advocates ..:lol:
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I largely agree with that chart, but Huffpost is utter garbage anymore. I would put it near the bottom these days.
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Yeah I have to agree.
Page after page of "So and So's stunning transformation is the best new thing ever" followed by "Do this tonight" followed by mile after mile of overly politically correct bullcrap. It is almost impossible to just get straightforward analysis or reporting.
When Huff actually does succeed in doing that it is still excellent but there's just not enough of it anymore because it gets buried under nonsense.

In the interest of transparency I did work for Huff during the 2009 "Summer of Town Hall Anger" and I covered Joe Barton's anti ACA campaign as well as a bunch of Tea Party events all throughout North Texas. I got paid for something like eight video stories on those issues.
 
jotathought said:
Perhaps Democrat leaders at the local and state level should heed her advice. BLM appear to be Trump advocates ..:lol:
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BLM is a shiny thing now, and I'd like your opinion, NOT ON BLM but the message.
The message is "black lives matter".
That message predates BLM, so instead of all of us focusing on a group that has only been around since 2013 and which only really solidified and grew legs in mid-2016, I would like to simply know if you agree that black lives matter.

By the way, that does not mean that ONLY black lives matter or that black lives matter MORE, it just means that black lives [also] matter.
 
upsideguy said:
I don't think I have ever read the Huff Post, they rate it pretty high.

I generally do read mostly things in the middle green box.... especially the NYT, WSJ and the Economist. I just noticed it includes my local newspaper, the Denver Post, high and right in the middle. The one skewed news source I do watch/listen is MSNBC, but I always double check what I learned there with something in the middle. MSNBC, by this chart, has a higher reliability rating than Fox (which having watched both, I think is correct), where many people on the right go to FOX to "verify" what they learned from WND or American Thinker, that is scary.

Also did not think of Real Clear Politics as something to the right of center before. This chart rates the reliability of Daily Caller, Brietbart, CNS, The Blaze as somewhat higher than it rated them in the past. Fox News, however, has been falling in reliability, which is consistent with my observations. They were never great, but they use to be much better.
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The actual news reporting on Fox News is pretty good, the only way it leans right is in terms of its news reporting is in story selection. The problem with Fox News is in its opinion programming.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
BLM is a shiny thing now, and I'd like your opinion, NOT ON BLM but the message.
The message is "black lives matter".
That message predates BLM, so instead of all of us focusing on a group that has only been around since 2013 and which only really solidified and grew legs in mid-2016, I would like to simply know if you agree that black lives matter.

By the way, that does not mean that ONLY black lives matter or that black lives matter MORE, it just means that black lives [also] matter.
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I most certainly believe that individual black lives matter: physically, emotionally and spiritually. I believe many blacks have been enslaved to government dependency, there is no desire to incentivize them to be successful in life and Democrats have taken their vote for granted.

To clarify, I do not support the Black Lives Matter movement which supports and advances the destruction of the nuclear family.
 
jotathought said:
I most certainly believe that individual black lives matter: physically, emotionally and spiritually. I believe many blacks have been enslaved to government dependency, there is no desire to incentivize them to be successful in life and Democrats have taken their vote for granted.
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Excuse me?
I have some inconvenient news for you...
The overwhelming majority of welfare recipients are po' white trash.


watch


And don't tell me that it's just a movie because I lived in the Deep South of Arkansas and Texas for thirteen years.
That Clint Eastwood clip is accurate.


jotathought said:
To clarify, I do not support the Black Lives Matter movement which supports and advances the destruction of the nuclear family.
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And I seriously doubt more than 0.5% of anyone else supports it either.
Is LeBron James a marxist?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Excuse me?
I have some inconvenient news for you...
The overwhelming majority of welfare recipients are po' white trash.

And don't tell me that it's just a movie because I lived in the Deep South of Arkansas and Texas for thirteen years.
That Clint Eastwood clip is accurate.
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I wouldn't disagree that a majority of recipients who receive government subsidies are white. I would also say (as I did previously) that many black people are enslaved by government dependency and there is no incentive for them to succeed in life. You asked me my opinion about black lives .. do you agree or disagree?

I did watch the video clip, and it spotlights exactly what I said: government dependency doesn't incentive people to work and be successful. The mom was more concerned with losing her benefits than rebooting her life to live free of the shackles we call government.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
And I seriously doubt more than 0.5% of anyone else supports it either.
Is LeBron James a marxist?
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I have no idea what Lebron James political beliefs are .. I don't mindlessly follow the view points of celebrities.
 
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