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DOJ to Scrub Islam References from Transcripts of Orlando Terrorist's...[W:40]

Re: DOJ to Scrub Islam References from Transcripts of Orlando Terrorist's Calls to Po

Josie said:
You said...



You were asked by two people to show evidence of where the FBI and DOJ have done this before in a mass shooting/killing. You haven't because you can't.
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In mass shootings/killings of this nature, it is SOP to NOT release all evidence to the public unedited.

You claim that it is ? Provide evidence.

Good ****ing luck.
 
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coldjoint said:
Yelling "Allah Akbur" makes him an Islamic terrorist.
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lettin them gain power in the ME makes the WEST imperialist terrorist..
 
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Josie said:
Yes they do and did. Did you not hear the President's speech?
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Nope, Comey is where i got my understanding from.

Feel free to quote whatever you think is in conflict with what i said.
 
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Absentglare said:
In mass shootings/killings of this nature, it is SOP to NOT release all evidence to the public unedited.

You claim that it is ? Provide evidence.

Good ****ing luck.
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Now show me transcripts with redacted information from San Bernadino, Charleston, Newtown - something.
 
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Josie said:
Omar Mateen disagrees with you.
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I doubt it, and i don't know why you think you understand Mateen better than the people who are actually investigating Mateen.
 
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Josie said:
Now show me transcripts with redacted information from San Bernadino, Charleston, Newtown - something.
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I don't have to- i can point to the absence of evidence to affirm my claim.

Now please, find some evidence for yours.

I'm happy to be wrong, but you have to cite something for the claim you initially made, the claim i dismissed. I challenged your claim. It is your turn to provide evidence or i will consider it abandoned.
 
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coldjoint said:
Prove it.
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Gladly, after you prove we can destroy them in less than a week. Please try to use a solution that doesn't entail something unrealistic like nukes.
 
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Absentglare said:
Nope, Comey is where i got my understanding from.

Feel free to quote whatever you think is in conflict with what i said.
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As Director Comey has said, we currently do not have any information to indicate that a foreign terrorist group directed the attack in Orlando. It is increasingly clear, however, that the killer took in extremist information and propaganda over the Internet. He appears to have been an angry, disturbed, unstable young man who became radicalized.

OBAMA: As we know all too well, terrorist groups like ISIL have called on people around the world and here in the United States to attack innocent civilians. Their propaganda, their videos, their postings are pervasive and more easily accessible than we want.

This individual appears to have absorbed some of that, and during his killing spree, the shooter in Orlando pledged allegiance to ISIL.

As I've said before, these lone actors or small cells of terrorists are very hard to detect and very hard to prevent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...al-security-council-meeting-on-islamic-state/
 
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Medusa said:
lettin them gain power in the ME makes the WEST imperialist terrorist..
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Nonsense.
 
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Medusa said:
you need to be honest or learn more about the ME
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Honest?:lamo
 
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Hatuey said:
Gladly, after you prove we can destroy them in less than a week. Please try to use a solution that doesn't entail something unrealistic like nukes.
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You are really boring.
 
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Erod said:
They're changing the contents of what is said through incredibly important omissions.
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They attempted to change the conservation from radical Islam being the problem to gun control being the answer.

Fundamentally changing America...
 
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Absentglare said:
The sentiment is not unique to Islam.
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I never said it was. I stated the sentiment was shared by him and others like him in ISIS. The difference is crucial.

Hatred of homosexuals is NOT unique to Islam.
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Strawman 2.

The idea that Islam in conflict with his homosexuality is an exhaustive description of his internal struggle is likely far from adequate. More likely, this man is mentally ill.
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I tend to think that the simplest solution is usually the correct one. I think this guy was deranged but only in so much as his interpretation of religion caused all of this.
 
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apdst said:
Most of it didn't need to be translated. It was in English.
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And the parts that were in Arabic - ALL of the parts that were in Arabic - were translated.

But the simple fact that this takes away your conspiracy theory that the evil guv'mint's out to coddle all them radicalized Muslims, well, y'all just can't stand for having your CT taken away!
 
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Josie said:
As Director Comey has said, we currently do not have any information to indicate that a foreign terrorist group directed the attack in Orlando. It is increasingly clear, however, that the killer took in extremist information and propaganda over the Internet. He appears to have been an angry, disturbed, unstable young man who became radicalized.

OBAMA: As we know all too well, terrorist groups like ISIL have called on people around the world and here in the United States to attack innocent civilians. Their propaganda, their videos, their postings are pervasive and more easily accessible than we want.

This individual appears to have absorbed some of that, and during his killing spree, the shooter in Orlando pledged allegiance to ISIL.

As I've said before, these lone actors or small cells of terrorists are very hard to detect and very hard to prevent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...al-security-council-meeting-on-islamic-state/
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None of that is, at all, in conflict with anything that i said. Ironically, it is in conflict with what you've said.
 
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Absentglare said:
None of that is, at all, in conflict with anything that i said. Ironically, it is in conflict with what you've said.
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How so?
 
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Hatuey said:
I never said it was. I stated the sentiment was shared by him and others like him in ISIS. The difference is crucial.



Strawman 2.



I tend to think that the simplest solution is usually the correct one. I think this guy was deranged but only in so much as his interpretation of religion caused all of this.
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The difference is not crucial, it is, in fact, irrelevant.

You don't know what a strawman is. A strawman is not when i state something that does not characterize your argument in any way. That is just me making a statement. I would encourage you to understand the difference.

You are right that blindly blaming Islam is a simple solution. It is a cursory, knee-jerk reaction that homophobic bigots are all over like a cat chasing a laser pen's dot- it excuses the obvious role that homophobia played in an act of slaughtering homosexuals.
 
Josie said:
Again - the President and FBI disagree with you - as I just showed you.
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You should read what you post, literally the first sentence unquestionably proves you wrong:

"As Director Comey has said, we currently do not have any information to indicate that a foreign terrorist group directed the attack in Orlando."

Josie said:
As Director Comey has said, we currently do not have any information to indicate that a foreign terrorist group directed the attack in Orlando. It is increasingly clear, however, that the killer took in extremist information and propaganda over the Internet. He appears to have been an angry, disturbed, unstable young man who became radicalized.

OBAMA: As we know all too well, terrorist groups like ISIL have called on people around the world and here in the United States to attack innocent civilians. Their propaganda, their videos, their postings are pervasive and more easily accessible than we want.

This individual appears to have absorbed some of that, and during his killing spree, the shooter in Orlando pledged allegiance to ISIL.

As I've said before, these lone actors or small cells of terrorists are very hard to detect and very hard to prevent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...al-security-council-meeting-on-islamic-state/
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Absentglare said:
You should read what you post, literally the first sentence unquestionably proves you wrong:

"As Director Comey has said, we currently do not have any information to indicate that a foreign terrorist group directed the attack in Orlando."
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I have never once said that he was acting out under the direction of any terrorist group. I have always said that he pledged allegiance to ISIS and radical Islam. You, however, have said repeatedly that religion had nothing do with it.
 
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Absentglare said:
His gay-hating wasn't just an Islamic thing, no matter how badly you might like to conclude it is without a second thought.
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How did you come to that conclusion?

He hated gays so much he went to the club for years?

Does that make sense to you?
 
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