Does the Left want to revoke freedom of speech?

[The Mark]

Consider:

-opposition by the Left to Elon Musk taking over Twitter
-the new Ministry of Truth courtesy of the DHS
-opposition by the Left to non-Leftist media outlets

The Left is in more danger if freedom of speech is curtailed than the Right is.
IMO

 

[Mycroft]

I was thinking about structuring this thread to address what you're pointing out here, but I probably got a little lazy & figured I'd just keep it simple.

It's probably best you did it this way. Don't want to confuse the useful idiots.

 

[Acadia]

Consider:

-opposition by the Left to Elon Musk taking over Twitter
-the new Ministry of Truth courtesy of the DHS
-opposition by the Left to non-Leftist media outlets

The Left wants to decide who has the right to free speech.

 

[trouble13]

Let me guess, George Soros is behind it with an army of trolls from Switzerland. I will vote no. I argued with many left-wing members today so trying to keep a balance.

Is most likely paranoia via radio right-wing hosts in my opinion.

Good day neil.

What were you arguing about with them?

 

[Centrist]

What were you arguing about with them?

The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left

Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.

www.theatlantic.com

Some left-wing members think the article from The Atlantic is false, made up (I will not name them, they know who they are). If the Atlantic is not to be trusted, who is? Breitbart (right) or/and Daily Beast (left)?

 

[j brown's body]

Consider:

-opposition by the Left to Elon Musk taking over Twitter
-the new Ministry of Truth courtesy of the DHS
-opposition by the Left to non-Leftist media outlets

No laws criminalizing speech as we see Republicans do in classrooms, businesses and school libraries.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

From what I know it is like this:

In the USA you may say that Hitler was a very fine person who only did good things and helped the Jews and that there were never ever any concentration camps etc etc
But you must NOT say "Eskimo" or "gypsy" - under punishment of social death.

OK?

That's kind of a cartoonish take on reality and not really any truth to it. Im sure that's what you have heard but the reality is that no one but neo nazi militia types (and many Republicans now) are ok with holocaust denialism.
The rest of us do not tolerate it at all really.
AT any rate the propaganda about socially acceptable words (or not acceptable) is being used as propaganda about the left in the US. Not only by Republicans but Russia as well. I do not know if it originated in Russia or the US, started Politically correctness /woke propaganda attacks against the left but certainly, they should stop using it in the US, that is if they were actual patriots. But patriots do not attempt a coup or want one.

 

[MaryP]

Why do people keep confusing lies with free speech? If it's not true, why would anyone want to be misinformed by lies?

 

[Geoist]

Consider:

-opposition by the Left to Elon Musk taking over Twitter

What do private corporations have to do with the 1st Amendment?

-the new Ministry of Truth courtesy of the DHS

I oppose this new agency for several reasons, but ethically how is this worse than Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' law?

-opposition by the Left to non-Leftist media outlets

Lol, what does this even mean? So the Right doesn't oppose so-called 'leftist' media?

 

[trouble13]

The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left

Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.

www.theatlantic.com

Some left-wing members think the article from The Atlantic is false, made up (I will not name them, they know who they are). If the Atlantic is not to be trusted, who is? Breitbart (right) or/and Daily Beast (left)?

That's your centrist position

 

[Centrist]

That's your centrist position

No

 

[KevinKohler]

No.


Next question.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Consider:

-opposition by the Left to Elon Musk taking over Twitter
-the new Ministry of Truth courtesy of the DHS
-opposition by the Left to non-Leftist media outlets

No, but that will not stop the hysteria.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left

Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.

www.theatlantic.com

Some left-wing members think the article from The Atlantic is false, made up (I will not name them, they know who they are). If the Atlantic is not to be trusted, who is? Breitbart (right) or/and Daily Beast (left)?

Sally Satel is a psychiatrist, psychiatry is not science it is pseudoscience. According to another article from The Atlantic lol: "A psychotherapist contends that the DSM, psychiatry's "bible" that defines all mental illness, is not scientific but a product of unscrupulous politics and bureaucracy."



She is a nutter:

Her book

Brainwashed: The Seductive Appeal of Mindless Neuroscience​

"What can't neuroscience tell us about ourselves? Since fMRI—functional magnetic resonance imaging—was introduced in the early 1990s, brain scans have been used to help politicians understand and manipulate voters, determine guilt in court cases, and make sense of everything from musical aptitude to romantic love. "

A complete conspiracy theorist nutter and a right-wing nut at that. Surprising given that she writes for the Atlantic and her speakership at Yale.

 

[Centrist]

and her speakership at Yale.

The research is from Thomas Costello.

 

[TheParser]

Well, the woke left (not genuine liberals) sincerely feel that it is dangerous to society to allow misinformation and disinformation to circulate.

And the woke left are the ones who will decide what is misinformation and disinformation.

The woke left really think that they know what is best for the nation.

As Mr. Musk said a few days ago, the left "hates everyone, including themselves."

 

[Centrist]

the woke left

the woke left

the woke left

and who is the woke left?

 

[Bullseye]

Consider:

-opposition by the Left to Elon Musk taking over Twitter
-the new Ministry of Truth courtesy of the DHS
-opposition by the Left to non-Leftist media outlets

How anyone can vote "no" is beyond me. Are they living on this planet.

 

[TheParser]

and who is the woke left?

People who call themselves "liberals" but who are in reality extremists,

Like people who are so invested in transgender rights that they say with a straight face that we should say that a "woman" can have a penis.

Like people who claim to be so non-racist that they can say with a straight face that it is the (current) majority ethnicity that is responsible for the violent behavior of many young men today.

Like people who are having a meltdown at something called "Twitter" because they fear "that man" will be allowed to do something called "tweet" again.

 

[Centrist]

People who call themselves "liberals" but who are in reality extremists,

Like people who are so invested in transgender rights that they say with a straight face that we should say that a "woman" can have a penis.

Like people who claim to be so non-racist that they can say with a straight face that it is the (current) majority ethnicity that is responsible for the violent behavior of many young men today.

Like people who are having a meltdown at something called "Twitter" because they fear "that man" will be allowed to do something called "tweet" again.

In the fourth quarter of 2021, monetizable daily active users (mDAU) of Twitter based in the United States amounted to 38 million.

How many do you think out of that 38 million are what you describe? I think is fear-mongering in part from the radio hosts that yell at the microphone while they eat stake live on air in my opinion.

 

[KingLeo]

Don't see anyone on the left trying to ban books, ban the teaching of real US history and labeling 'fake news' actual facts that don't fit into their propaganda.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Look at the lefts action. They absolutely want to control speech.

Musk wants Twitter to be neutral when he takes charge and the left is in a massive meltdown.

Then there is the disinformation plan from Biden....

 

[Loulit01]

Consider:

-opposition by the Left to Elon Musk taking over Twitter

By opposition you mean saying it's a bad idea? That's called freedom of speech. No one seriously opposed Musk. He took over Twitter in a matter of days. Some people said they were worried about what he might do with it and you're against that? The fact that people expressing an opinion bothers you so much that you think there's something wrong with it shows you're the one against freedom of speech.

-the new Ministry of Truth courtesy of the DHS

That's a bad idea. The Democrats shot themselves in the foot again.

-opposition by the Left to non-Leftist media outlets

As opposed to the right calling leftist media fake news? Please.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Why do people keep confusing lies with free speech? If it's not true, why would anyone want to be misinformed by lies?

What people?
And what lies?

Why the vicious attacks against Musk because he wants Twitter to treat all fairly?

 

[Lovebug]

You may also say that the burqa is a most wonderful symbol of freedom
and that all Catholics are pagan and satanic and no Christian.
That is OK.

But you must NOT say something like "American Indian".
You must say: FIRST NATION!
What is the adjective then: Firstnationan - or Firstnationish?

You are saying that being offensive is not ok.