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Does the Democrat Party now have its very own KGB?

Does the Democrat Party officially have its very own KGB?


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Trump had it worse than black people in all of American history. It's impossible to take such ckownery seriously.

That's some serious clownery to not take seriously. They may be ludicrous in their alt beliefs, but they are serious. The Dems have been brushing it off for yrs., ignoring it for being so obviously wrong and not mounting any serious defense of democracy, et al. That would be beneath them. That's why things have gotten to where they are now.
 
How do you know?​
How do you know Trump didn't exercise his power to declassify material?​
The national archives have said he kept classified material. Had he exercised a power to declassify, they would no longer be classified and the National Archives would have nothing to complain about. I am assuming the national archives were telling the truth, therefore Trump did not exercise his power.

What part of the above are you struggling with?
How do you know?​
How do you know we are dealing with "highly sensitive classified info"? Have you seen the specific documents? Has someone who's seen the documents TOLD you they were "highly sensitive classified info"?​
Some of the documents that he took were marked top secret according to anonymous sources. Which is what I was referring to. If you don't buy that, fine. It's not important to my point. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/10/trump-records-classified/
You are saying Trump didn't "dot the i's and cross the t's". Again...how do you know?​
I repeat: if he had gone through the official process, the documents would no longer be classified and the archives would have nothing to complain about. I don't automatically assume the archives are lying, therefore he did not "dot the i's and cross the t's".
 
It needs to go further than that, after 2024 there needs to be criminal charges against Garland and crew for abuse of power.

Of course regimes that face the prospects of punishment do not leave voluntarily and so it’s possible that martial law will be declared and the 24 election suspended
Trump and his cult have no shame. The Garland led DOJ has conducted its duties by the book. No comment on a matter under investigation. A warrant was served and executed by plain clothes federal LEO in unmarked vehicles. You and your grifted ilk are reacting solely to Trump's "selective release," AKA Trump grift. He had the choice not to comment. He has the choice to release the contents of the search warrant and the inventory list of what was seized from his business location fronting as his home.

He will not release either because he has conditioned his cultists to make no demands of him to ever prove his claims.
 
Doesn’t seem like your concern of overreach applies to black people being shot by cops for no good reason.

Also Trump said Hillary Clinton should be locked up for her handling of her e-mails, what's the difference?
1) Hillary actually broke the law because she was never president and only the Secretary of State. And 2) no one ever actually tried to indict her.

So does your small government need not apply to Tamir Rice, Philando Castile or Breonna Taylor?

Irrelevant as these criminal suspects were not political figures.

And why is that, why there a higher crime rate in black neighborhoods? Is it because black people were treated like second class citizens for decades and something like the legacy of redlining has trapped many black people in a cycle of poverty?
As a matter of fact it is not, “redlining” is not the reason black Americans have a far higher rate of violent crime then White or Latino Americans.

It’s also really weird too because the current democratic platform is literally to transform all Americans into renters and so if keeping someone from buying a house is the reason they commit murder than it is kind of wierd that Democrats would want to do that.
Or do conservatives think black people are
naturally criminal who need to be under the thumb of militarized police?
No. That is what you apparently think since you thought this out and wrote it down.
I listen to media from a variety of sources.
Not very good ones given you think pre-FICO methods of assessing credit risk cause violent crime and that “conservatives” want to impose a racial police state.
A lot of independent leftists sources cover stuff the rest of the media doesn't cover. I
Lolololol
haven't respected conservative media criticism since they used it to goose the Iraq War.
Now it’s the regular leftist media promoting war in every place from Syria to the Ukraine.
 
1) Hillary actually broke the law because she was never president and only the Secretary of State. And 2) no one ever actually tried to indict her.

So how is Trump taking protected documents home with him different than Hillary using an unprotected e-mail address?

So does your small government need not apply to Tamir Rice, Philando Castile or Breonna Taylor?

Irrelevant as these criminal suspects were not political figures.

Exactly, you care more about political elites than you do regular citizens.

You are the ultimate example of the conservative hypocrisy I am talking about. You will cry about Trump's club house being raided and then demand all trans people be locked away in institutions or be fine with cops gunning down black people for no good reason.

You only want "freedom" for Christian Conservatives, everyone else you want under the heel of a Christian Conservative dictatorship.

You are a total hypocrite, so spare me your tears about little Trump's club house, cry in a closet about it and don't bother me with it until you stick out your neck for someone who is not a Christian Conservative. If you only care about yourself and people like you, you want privileges for yourself, not freedom for all.

As a matter of fact it is not, “redlining” is not the reason black Americans have a far higher rate of violent crime then White or Latino Americans.

Really, then what is it?
It’s also really weird too because the current democratic platform is literally to transform all Americans into renters and so if keeping someone from buying a house is the reason they commit murder than it is kind of wierd that Democrats would want to do that.

That's because the Democrats are a center right corporate party, but really what was the far right GOP done to address this issue?
No. That is what you apparently think since you thought this out and wrote it down.

Not very good ones given you think pre-FICO methods of assessing credit risk cause violent crime and that “conservatives” want to impose a racial police state.

Sure they do, look at Lee Atwater:


Or Nixon:

Lolololol

Your laughter means nothing to me, because I do not respect you. I think of you of as a far right authoritarian and a liar and I do not care about your judgment of any news source outside the mainstream I choose to consume.

Now it’s the regular leftist media promoting war in every place from Syria to the Ukraine.

Depends the media, the Ukraine issue can be examined by many different sides. It's a complex issue.

Do you think right wing media should take ownership of goosing up the Iraq War?
 
Well that’s not true, because at least from the search function I can’t find you calling for Hillary Clinton’s prosecution

And you here are admitting you are politically motivated and willing to use a fiction to justify political ends
Betraying his oath is a legal term not a political one. Trump can't hide behind politics when he broke federal law.
 
You don’t care about the truth either. This is purely pretext.

If it can be proven any democrats commit crimes you will still defend them. It is undisputed Hillary broke the law with her email server and no charges were ever filed even though classified documents were uploaded to the cloud
LOL There was no evidence of intent of any wrong doing and Hillary did not do anything that other SOS did before her. It was a witch hunt. Now you have a chance to show you are not just total hypocrites because your President has committed a far greater offense by bringing boxes of secret documents to Mar-a lago. Will you step up and say "lock him up" about that? We all know the answer to that. Now he has also taken the 5th too. Something he has said that "mob bosses do".
 
So how is Trump taking protected documents home with him different than Hillary using an unprotected e-mail address?
Because Trump was president and Hillary was not.
Exactly, you care more about political elites than you do regular citizens.
There is a difference between a death that occurs during an arrest for a normal crime and engaging in political repression
You are the ultimate example of the conservative hypocrisy I am talking about. You will cry about Trump's club house being raided and then demand all trans people be locked away in institutions or be fine with cops gunning down black people for no good reason.
I am not fine with cops gunning down black people for no reason. This is an ugly and false allegation you have made.
You only want "freedom" for Christian Conservatives, everyone else you want under the heel of a Christian Conservative dictatorship.
Blah blah blah
You are a total hypocrite, so spare me your tears about little Trump's club house, cry in a closet about it and don't bother me with it until you stick out your neck for someone who is not a Christian Conservative. If you only care about yourself and people like you, you want privileges for yourself, not freedom for all.
Blah blah blah not an argument
Really, then what is it?
Well I will give my theory If you’re willing to directly say you believe that a larger minority of blacks then other groups commit crimes because of long abandoned policies from the 1930s. I don’t believe Black Americans (again a minority of them) commit crimes because of regulatory policies from 1935. That’s a reductive and dehumanizing idea.
That's because the Democrats are a center right corporate party, but really what was the far right GOP done to address this issue?
Well the far right has ideas for how to deal with it.
Sure they do, look at Lee Atwater:
I checked your link and unsurprisingly there was no evidence of the claim he wanted to impose a racial dictatorship on blacks
Or Nixon:

I’m not going to read you pointing me to some goober’s opinion column. Make your own argument
Your laughter means nothing to me, because I do not respect you. I think of you of as a far right authoritarian and a liar and I do not care about your judgment of any news source outside the mainstream I choose to consume.
Lol
Depends the media, the Ukraine issue can be examined by many different sides. It's a complex issue.
“It’s a complex issue” is a dodge
Do you think right wing media should take ownership of goosing up the Iraq War?
The left wing media had plenty to do in that way. There was no elite democratic opposition to the Iraq war.
 
Because Trump was president and Hillary was not.

So what? Does being an ex President just give you the right to take classified documents home? Seems like you are a giant hypocrite.

There is a difference between a death that occurs during an arrest for a normal crime and engaging in political repression

Yeah, because you only care about rich elites, not normal citizens outside your clique.

I am not fine with cops gunning down black people for no reason. This is an ugly and false allegation you have made.

Seems like your small government ideology only applies to wealthy elites and people you like, when have you ever applied it to people who are not Christian Conservatives?
Blah blah blah

Blah blah blah not an argument

Are you 13 years old?
Well I will give my theory If you’re willing to directly say you believe that a larger minority of blacks then other groups commit crimes because of long abandoned policies from the 1930s. I don’t believe Black Americans (again a minority of them) commit crimes because of regulatory policies from 1935. That’s a reductive and dehumanizing idea.

Really, then what is your explanation?

Well the far right has ideas for how to deal with it.

Such as?
I checked your link and unsurprisingly there was no evidence of the claim he wanted to impose a racial dictatorship on blacks

Did he say that or not? Are you saying he was joking?

I’m not going to read you pointing me to some goober’s opinion column. Make your own argument

Can you debunk it?
Lol

“It’s a complex issue” is a dodge

Just because you like dictators like Putin doesn't mean I have to or that I think that military aid to Ukraine should not be questioned.
The left wing media had plenty to do in that way. There was no elite democratic opposition to the Iraq war.

So how is the media liberal if it was repeating Republican talking points back then? Did the Right Wing media take ownership of their role in promoting the Iraq War?
 
So what? Does being an ex President just give you the right to take classified documents home? Seems like you are a giant hypocrite.
Yeah, the president has unilateral power to declassify documents and is cleared to review all classified information. This is not true of the Secretary of State
Yeah, because you only care about rich elites, not normal citizens outside your clique.
Blah blah blah this is not an argument. This is you just rambling
Seems like your small government ideology only applies to wealthy elites and people you like, when have you ever applied it to people who are not Christian Conservatives?
Again, there is zero content in this argument. It actually does cost money for forum owners to maintain websites full of these zero content non-arguments. You made the specific claim I want Black people killed for no reason, if you have any posts of me writing that feel free to post. Otherwise this is pointless
Are you 13 years old?


Really, then what is your explanation?
There is no way to explain this without far derailing the thread. You can start a thread if you want to discuss it. It is only suffice to say I do not believe people commit crimes without agency because of credit rating standards as applied in 1935
Such as?


Did he say that or not? Are you saying he was joking?
Did he say he wanted to impose a racialist White supremacist dictatorship? No he did not, and your own source doesn’t claim this
Can you debunk it?
Probably, but I have better things to do with my time
Just because you like dictators like Putin doesn't mean I have to or that I think that military aid to Ukraine should not be questioned.


So how is the media liberal if it was repeating Republican talking points back then? Did the Right Wing media take ownership of their role in promoting the Iraq War?
When Tucker Carlson took over Fox News ratings and Donald Trump became the president opposing Bush’s war in Iraq and stopping crooked Hillary’s plans for war in Syria against Russia and Assad.
 
So how is Trump taking protected documents home with him different than Hillary using an unprotected e-mail address?



Exactly, you care more about political elites than you do regular citizens.

You are the ultimate example of the conservative hypocrisy I am talking about. You will cry about Trump's club house being raided and then demand all trans people be locked away in institutions or be fine with cops gunning down black people for no good reason.

You only want "freedom" for Christian Conservatives, everyone else you want under the heel of a Christian Conservative dictatorship.

You are a total hypocrite, so spare me your tears about little Trump's club house, cry in a closet about it and don't bother me with it until you stick out your neck for someone who is not a Christian Conservative. If you only care about yourself and people like you, you want privileges for yourself, not freedom for all.



Really, then what is it?


That's because the Democrats are a center right corporate party, but really what was the far right GOP done to address this issue?


Sure they do, look at Lee Atwater:


Or Nixon:



Your laughter means nothing to me, because I do not respect you. I think of you of as a far right authoritarian and a liar and I do not care about your judgment of any news source outside the mainstream I choose to consume.



Depends the media, the Ukraine issue can be examined by many different sides. It's a complex issue.

Do you think right wing media should take ownership of goosing up the Iraq War?

We are a center right corporate country. With a con leaning center.
 
The fairy tale says; if the glass slipper fits then it must be Cinderella. 👸 Right? 🧚‍♀️ Right! 🤷‍♀️

So since the KGB slipper obviously fits the FBI, it must be the new American KGB by default!👍
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Funny question.
 
Can’t recall if others covered this, but...

Does any Mad Lib out there seriously believe that the raid was about recovering Archive documents, as opposed to fishing for some smoking gun that would decisively show Trump personally managing 1-6?
 
Koolaid does more than rot your teeth. Stop drinking it.... :rolleyes:

If tRump's FBI raided Clinton's house during his regime, you'd clap... ✌️

But did he do it? He might have wanted to, or even discussed doing something of the kind. But in the end, it’s Grandpa Joe calling out the jackboots.
 
We are a center right corporate country. With a con leaning center.
Only because the country is corporately controlled, and that's what the corporate masters want the country to be. Not necessarily because that is how the majority of Americans actually think.
 
The fairy tale says; if the glass slipper fits then it must be Cinderella. 👸 Right? 🧚‍♀️ Right! 🤷‍♀️

So since the KGB slipper obviously fits the FBI, it must be the new American KGB by default!👍
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Now back to the business at hand...
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Obtaining a Warrant.
(1) In General. After receiving an affidavit or other information, a magistrate judge—or if authorized by Rule 41(b), a judge of a state court of record—must issue the warrant if there is probable cause to search for and seize a person or property or to install and use a tracking device.

(2) Requesting a Warrant in the Presence of a Judge.

(A) Warrant on an Affidavit. When a federal law enforcement officer or an attorney for the government presents an affidavit in support of a warrant, the judge may require the affiant to appear personally and may examine under oath the affiant and any witness the affiant produces.
(B) Warrant on Sworn Testimony. The judge may wholly or partially dispense with a written affidavit and base a warrant on sworn testimony if doing so is reasonable under the circumstances.
(C) Recording Testimony. Testimony taken in support of a warrant must be recorded by a court reporter or by a suitable recording device, and the judge must file the transcript or recording with the clerk, along with any affidavit.

(3) Requesting a Warrant by Telephonic or Other Reliable Electronic Means. In accordance with Rule 4.1, a magistrate judge may issue a warrant based on information communicated by telephone or other reliable electronic means.



Take into consideration the following three very important elements:

*When a crime is neglected~It becomes rampant*
*When a crime is rewarded~It becomes epidemic*
*When a warrant is executed by a Trump hand-picked judge and served by the Trump hand-picked FBI Director it is awfully difficult to cry KGB or polly-ticks.*


You should be embarrassed.
 
But did he do it? He might have wanted to, or even discussed doing something of the kind. But in the end, it’s Grandpa Joe calling out the jackboots.
Jackboots???? Drama this up much??? :rolleyes:

Biden doesn't control the FBI. A judge had to sign off on the warrant and you can bet your MAGA hat there was solid evidence tRump didn't come clean the first time around. Grandpa Joe doesn't need to do a damn thing to sink tRump. The Orange Buffoon shoots holes in his already leaky canoe all the time.... :unsure:

tRump had to be repeatedly talked down from idiotic actions by the adults in the room. Can you imagine the slime levels tRump would have sunk to if he wasn't constantly talked down from his high umbrage and low ethics... ✌️
 
Jackboots???? Drama this up much??? :rolleyes:

Biden doesn't control the FBI. A judge had to sign off on the warrant and you can bet your MAGA hat there was solid evidence tRump didn't come clean the first time around. Grandpa Joe doesn't need to do a damn thing to sink tRump. The Orange Buffoon shoots holes in his already leaky canoe all the time.... :unsure:

tRump had to be repeatedly talked down from idiotic actions by the adults in the room. Can you imagine the slime levels tRump would have sunk to if he wasn't constantly talked down from his high umbrage and low ethics... ✌️

You proposed that Trump would have been directly responsible if Hilary had been hauled away by the FBI for her literal crimes. Yet when a raid happens on Biden’s watch, suddenly the Prez is entirely outside the matter.

You can try having it both ways, but people will only laugh at you for it.
 
Take into consideration the following three very important elements:

*When a crime is neglected~It becomes rampant*
*When a crime is rewarded~It becomes epidemic*
*When a warrant is executed by a Trump hand-picked judge and served by the Trump hand-picked FBI Director it is awfully difficult to cry KGB or polly-ticks.*


You should be embarrassed.

What crime do you think was committed, given that as yet no one has charged DT with a crime?
 
You proposed that Trump would have been directly responsible if Hilary had been hauled away by the FBI for her literal crimes. Yet when a raid happens on Biden’s watch, suddenly the Prez is entirely outside the matter.

You can try having it both ways, but people will only laugh at you for it.
Well according to his 'gut' picked inner circle the idea of sending the FBI after Hillary would be one of the little tantrums he threw. tRump didn't mind trying to get the FBI, DoJ, Military to answer directly to him. He didn't give a rat's ass about how the system works; he wanted authoritarian control over the Federal Government. According to his hand-picked inner circle he admired the control over a nation dictators had.... :unsure:

If you could quote where I said that about tRump and Hillary, please refresh my memory. FYI tRump wasn't 'hauled away' by the FBI. Boxes were... ✌️
 
What crime do you think was committed, given that as yet no one has charged DT with a crime?

That's Empirica's sig.
I added
"When a warrant is executed by a Trump hand-picked judge and served by the Trump hand-picked FBI Director it is awfully difficult to cry KGB or polly-ticks."

---However in answer to your question, the warrant was served because a judge agrees with the FBI that there is evidence of crimes having been committed and so it's safe to say
we're all going to find out soon enough.

For the record, there is a federal law against removing classified documents without authorization. It is a felony punishable by five years in prison.
Trump saw to it that it would be a felony. He just didn't believe that the law applied to him because he believes he's above the law, so it's only for everyone else.
Anyway, Trump's authorization ended January 20, 2021....even if he doesn't personally believe that.

Are you feeling impatient or are you feeling like a sea lion?
 
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The fairy tale says; if the glass slipper fits then it must be Cinderella. 👸 Right? 🧚‍♀️ Right! 🤷‍♀️

So since the KGB slipper obviously fits the FBI, it must be the new American KGB by default!👍

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