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Does Praying Change God's Plan/Mind

Gordy327 said:
At least to those who believe theirs is the "correct" religion.
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The fact that the 10 Commandments says that You shall not no other gods before me is a tacit admittance by the church that other gods exist. Ask a believer about that and watch them spin/deflect.


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Gordy327 said:
That is a common, but incorrect assumption. It's also not indicative of "real" faith or belief. Rather, it's an emotional response.
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No, I cannot support that one.

Another way of saying emotional response is to say a hunch or a gut reaction. Which is when someone reacts on nothing more than having real faith that they are right.

Christians may claim they have faith. But that is not a reason to assume it is a real faith. Or that for some reason they have the only right to the word faith.
 
soylentgreen said:
No, I cannot support that one.

Another way of saying emotional response is to say a hunch or a gut reaction. Which is when someone reacts on nothing more than having real faith that they are right
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It's still emotional and irrational.
soylentgreen said:
Christians may claim they have faith. But that is not a reason to assume it is a real faith. Or that for some reason they have the only right to the word faith.
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They claim many things. I generally dismiss them too.
 
Dragonfly said:
Does that mean that you believe god can change his mind/plan based on prayer alone?
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As I understand it, God never changes His/Her mind.

He/She has already planned everything.

We pray because we do not know His/Her preordained answer.

One never knows what God is planning.

(The horrific Covid pandemic stopped the reelection of President Trump. Some people were praying for his defeat. Of course, in 2019, they never imagined it would come about as it did. Remember that old saying: Be careful what you wish for.)
 
TheParser said:
As I understand it, God never changes His/Her mind.

He/She has already planned everything.

We pray because we do not know His/Her preordained answer.

One never knows what God is planning.

(The horrific Covid pandemic stopped the reelection of President Trump. Some people were praying for his defeat. Of course, in 2019, they never imagined it would come about as it did. Remember that old saying: Be careful what you wish for.)
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That effectively makes prayer useless. Prayer does not reveal or affect an outcome. So it's nothing more than wishful thinking.
 
TheParser said:
As I understand it, God never changes His/Her mind.

He/She has already planned everything.

We pray because we do not know His/Her preordained answer.

One never knows what God is planning.

(The horrific Covid pandemic stopped the reelection of President Trump. Some people were praying for his defeat. Of course, in 2019, they never imagined it would come about as it did. Remember that old saying: Be careful what you wish for.)
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This post is from the dept of doublespeak dept.

Logically, if the outcome is predetermine then prayer is a waste of time. You have an untreated anxiety disorder and are using prayer to self-soothe. Trump was not reelected because of his deadly lack of a effective response to COVID and the million other mistakes/lies that he made in 4 years. You just admitted the out the outcome was predetermined, so people could not have prayed for his defeat.

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Gordy327 said:
That effectively makes prayer useless. Prayer does not reveal or affect an outcome. So it's nothing more than wishful thinking.
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But we do not know God's decision yet.

Maybe my beloved brother will give me a sign.
Maybe I will get my strength back.

People who pray say that they receive comfort that they otherwise would not have.
 
TheParser said:
But we do not know God's decision yet.

Maybe my beloved brother will give me a sign.
Maybe I will get my strength back.

People who pray say that they receive comfort that they otherwise would not have.
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It doesn't matter. God knows and has already decided. Prayer will not change that. We might find out eventually. But that's from the progression of things as God planned. Prayer does not reveal or change the outcome.
 
TheParser said:
But we do not know God's decision yet.

Maybe my beloved brother will give me a sign.
Maybe I will get my strength back.

People who pray say that they receive comfort that they otherwise would not have.
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You just said the outcome was predetermined. Logically it cannot be both.
 
Lisa said:
This post is from the dept of doublespeak dept.

Logically, if the outcome is predetermine then prayer is a waste of time. You have an untreated anxiety disorder and are using prayer to self-soothe. Trump was not reelected because of his deadly lack of a effective response to COVID and the million other mistakes/lies that he made in 4 years. You just admitted the out the outcome was predetermined, so people could not have prayed for his defeat.

iu
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I read recently that the percentage of Americans who feel that religion is an important part of their lives is continuing to plunge.

People who dismiss the role of prayer in one's life are unlikely to change their minds, and that is fine.

And those who feel their lives are enriched by prayer will continue to pray, and that is fine.
 
Lisa said:
You just said the outcome was predetermined. Logically it cannot be both.
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But I do not know the outcome. So that's why I pray every day.
 
TheParser said:
People who dismiss the role of prayer in one's life are unlikely to change their minds, and that is fine.

And those who feel their lives are enriched by prayer will continue to pray, and that is fine.
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Replace the word "prayer" with "meditation".

Same thing. No need for religion to just "think on things".
 
No...

“This is the confidence that we have toward him, that, no matter what it is that we ask according to his will, he hears us.” 1 John 5:14

"Instead, you should say: “If Jehovah wills, we will live and do this or that.” James 4:15
 
Daisy said:
No...

“This is the confidence that we have toward him, that, no matter what it is that we ask according to his will, he hears us.” 1 John 5:14

"Instead, you should say: “If Jehovah wills, we will live and do this or that.” James 4:15
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So there's no point to prayer.
 
Gordy327 said:
So there's no point to prayer.
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Yes, there is...answering a person's prayer in no way changes God's will from being fulfilled...it will still happen, just as the Bible prophesies...
 
Gordy327 said:
So is the outcome revealed or altered as a result of prayer?
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God does not alter His/Her plans.

I will know God's decision before I die. (I am already 86.)
 
Dragonfly said:
Are there two different outcomes that rest solely on whether or not a person (or people) prays?
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No...God's purpose continues on...
 
Dragonfly said:
What? Huh?
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If I get a definitive sign from my brother before I die, then GOD said YES to my prayer.
If I get my strength back before I die, then GOD ...
 
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