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Does Praying Change God's Plan/Mind

Gordy327 said:
Mind over matter. Prayer itself doesn't actually affect anything.
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If praying affects someone's mind, then it does affect something.
 
samiam5211 said:
All prayer does is make someone feel better.

That is of great value though.
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samiam5211 said:
yes, but a mental comfort mechanism is far from useless.
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You are correct.

Perhaps "useless" wasn't the best choice of words.

However, the context of what I was asking/suggesting doesn't change.


Does "prayer" potentially change god's mind/plan?
 
Dragonfly said:
Mad props to Lisa for the meme. (y)

Now:

If you pray to god, and god "answers your prayers", did you effectively "change god's plan"?

If not, then praying was useless right?

If so, then what you're saying is god can change his mind/plan. Correct?
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God?

Where?
 
Lisa said:
It does when they try to push it on others. That's where I draw the line.
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I've never had someone force me to pray.

if I am in a room of people praying, i bow my head and participate because i'm not an asshole.
 
Gordy327 said:
Like a child talking to their imaginary friend.
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Agreed if your trying to think up best scenarios for reasons to believe in a god. Worst scenario for reasons would be because as an adult they like talking to their imaginary friend.
 
Airyaman said:
One facet of prayer I never understood even when I was a Christian was praying for the recovery of seemingly terminally ill people. Wouldn't it be better for them in heaven? Why pray they survive; perhaps pray for a quick painless death instead?

(Which tells you that even Christians know deep down this one life is all there is)
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That begs the question, if heaven is so great, why not let people die so they can go there? Instead they pray for survival or seek medical intervention.
 
soylentgreen said:
Agreed if your trying to think up best scenarios for reasons to believe in a god. Worst scenario for reasons would be because as an adult they like talking to their imaginary friend.
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I can't think of any "best" scenarios or reasons to believe in God.
 
You may wish to consider the following:

2 Chronicles 7:14

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.​

 
Prayer is asking God for a wish. To suspend the natural order for you.

I've always frowned on the notion that certain people are blessed, and others not somuch. As if God plays favorites, and you think you're among them.

There's a certain degree of ego involved in both thinking you're blessed and thinking that God will grant you wishes.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Prayer is asking God for a wish. To suspend the natural order for you.

I've always frowned on the notion that certain people are blessed, and others not somuch. As if God plays favorites, and you think you're among them.

There's a certain degree of ego involved in both thinking you're blessed and thinking that God will grant you wishes.
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I have actually had people tell me God plays favorites. Naturally, they considered themselves to be among the favorites.
 
samiam5211 said:
I've never had someone force me to pray.

if I am in a room of people praying, i bow my head and participate because i'm not an asshole.
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I don't participate but I might bow my head.

Gordy327 said:
I have actually had people tell me God plays favorites. Naturally, they considered themselves to be among the favorites.
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Funny how that always works out that way.
 
Lisa said:
I don't participate but I might bow my head.
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I wouldn't even do that much. At most, I'll remain quiet and do my own thing.
 
soylentgreen said:
I am a firm believer in the world war one meme, there are no atheists in a foxhole.
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That is a common, but incorrect assumption. It's also not indicative of "real" faith or belief. Rather, it's an emotional response.
 
Dragonfly said:
Isn't the Christian mantra that only Christians go to heaven, and everyone else goes to hell?

That's playing favorites isn't it?
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At least to those who believe theirs is the "correct" religion.
 
Dragonfly said:
Can you be a christian and NOT believe that?
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There are some Christians who listen to the message of Jesus and use his socialist-like teachings to inspire good behavior. As a personal philosophy, rather than a promise/threat that you're receive riches in the afterlife, or suffer some eternal damnation. As I think was the original intent of Christianity, because it got tied up in resurrection myths, and before Jesus was turned into a White Conservative American who secured the 2nd Amendment.

 
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