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Does Anyone On The Left Actually Understand Trump Won Because of Them?

Because it's a CLASS issue, not a race issue.
What the **** does this mean? You were just arguing the difference in crime was due to genetics, now it is "class"?

You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Which is impossible to measure since people that wouldn't vote for a black woman because she is a black woman are not going to tell you that was the reason why. They'll lie and invent post ad hoc excuses.

If Democrats had a white male running for president in 2024 they would have had a far better chance of succeeding.
As we have already had a two term male black president, it's obvious that race isn't the issue. If you want to argue sexism, okay, but try doing that without all the mitigating factors regarding the two female presidential candidates. As per the history of the first - framing every last accuser of her husband that dared bring up his alleged rape and improprieties, that wasn't a big help - and a "I can't think of anything I'd do differently" on the second, regarding her seriously impaired boss that enacted so many perverse laws against Americans - but more importantly, Palestinian women and children - as to be without doubt, void of any standard of ethics or morals, never mind a protector of American interests
 
We know we lost. It wasn't because of D's.
It was because MAGAts believed...
I will end the war on day one.
I will bring down prices on day one.
I will make IVF free.
I will end birthright citizenship.

An illegal $250 million campaign contribution that used a PAC to coordinate with the White House to promote false claims about D's and transgender people.

He lied and got elected. You must be so proud.
LOL. You lost because you lost working class voters. Even your own side admits to this.
 
I think many people were, in fact, tired of the left's touchy-feely, tofu-eatin', tree-huggin', wokester positions and thought, 'WTF? Why not?" You have to admit, Kackala wasn't that strong of a candidate. I mean, if she couldn't beat Trump's punk-ass...

I also think most people we're tired of inflation and figured Trump couldn't do any worse.

How'd that work out for them? LOL!
 
Don't be upset because I'm smarter.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Your excellency sounds an awful lot like the other smartest person in the world. You keep shady company.
 
I agree that Trump won because of the left, democrats. But not in the way you suggest. Trump won because most Americans thought Biden and company, Harris as VP was part of that did a lousy job of governing in their eyes. 39% approval/57% disapproval.



https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating



Biden and company failed to address inflation, rising prices and immigration to the satisfaction of most Americans. The top two issues in which folks decided who to vote for. All Americans viewed the Biden administration handling of inflation, 34% approved, 63% disapproved. On immigration, Biden and company’s do nothing approach to illegal immigration, 33% approval/65% disapproval.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues/inflation

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues/immigration

These were in my opinion the main reasons Trump won. Had the democrats govern more ably to the tune that most Americans expected, Trump wouldn’t have won. Although with all the negative stuff the democrats threw at Trump, 2 impeachments, 91 federal indictments, 2 civil cases plus a case in Georgia still pending, quite a lot of Americans became immune to it. That’s just the democrats doing their thing, ho hum.
Don't forget Trump won in 2016.
 
I have a posting history replete with supporting argument of how the GOP creates of all kind of policy that favor the wealthy and business while creating all kinds of anti-union laws. We did not get back to Gilded Age wealth disparities in the US by increasing the the top marginal rate. Perhaps instead of avoiding my posts like you have done in the past, you just might become aware, Ive only been here for 13 years.
Finally, the poster we all remember! Less sniping and more content.

I wouldn't say we've gone that far back, but anti-capitolistic laws creating monopolies have created the mess we are in today in all areas from medical, education, entertainment to corporation laws.
Dems voted and created them too.

Is that supposed to be something to brag about? You have to be vague to avoid understanding that the GOP, especially now, is run by billionaires for billionaires.
I'm not bragging, I just said something in a broad statement and you immediately went into specifics about unions replying as though it was relevant.
Unions absolutely had their place at one time, but they are no longer popular because labor laws now support the employee and barriers to create them.

How does discussing the GOP restrictions on workers rights make anything "irrational"? You said earlier "both sides do it". Being vague is rational?
It was irrational because my position was meta level and you jumped into unions as though you were defending something very specific.
 
So, how do democrats win next time?

Hopefully they don't, not if they keep to this hard Left, win or destroy society kind of politicking.

People have eyes, and they also have brains to evaluate what they see. What they see is Democrats acting like lunatics.

People see what's happening in places like Portland Oregon
in on-the-spot reports, while the Democrat government right up to the Governor act like "nothing to see here, Portland is fine."

They see the perfidy in California, with examples like the L.A. fire, and guarantees from both the Governor and Mayor to make sure those citizens get top priority in government help to clean up, and get permits to rebuild. Now instead, both Newsome and Karen Bass are talking about seizing the properties and building mass low-income housing.

They see the Mayor of Chicago defunding and denigrating the Chicago police, holding them back, and supporting the criminal illegal immigrant population. He is also mis-utilizing funds to aid them, instead of for Chicago's American citizens. He is so hated he gets booed almost every time he tries to talk to common Chicagoans.

I could go on, but those are significant enough to show the situation as it stands with Democrats and the rest of the Nation. They know they are going under, but they keep acting IMO...almost like that madman in Germany at the end of WWII still giving orders to non-existent military units while bombs keep landing on the bunker.
 
Finally, the poster we all remember! Less sniping and more content.
You don't remember me, you are lying. You have a history of avoiding nearly all of my content.
I wouldn't say we've gone that far back,
Of course you wouldn't say that because you don't know the levels;
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but anti-capitolistic laws creating monopolies have created the mess we are in today in all areas from medical, education, entertainment to corporation laws.
Dems voted and created them too.
Yer spewing broad and vague, as per usual.
I'm not bragging, I just said something in a broad statement and you immediately went into specifics about unions replying as though it was relevant.
It was a point about the difference in who supports labor or capital, you are under the delusion that both sides carry the mantle for labor and capital the same, in your broad and vague way, which is meaningless. You see no difference between who the parties favor, which votes they tend to attract. If you don't know that labor has been in the Dem favor for decades, you don't know anything about US politics.
Unions absolutely had their place at one time, but they are no longer popular because labor laws now support the employee and barriers to create them.
Not only is this Goldwater Inst bullshit, it still avoids debating which party was most strongly associated with labor.
It was irrational because my position was meta level and you jumped into unions as though you were defending something very specific.
Getting specific in an argument is not a sign of lack of intelligence or reason, but miss-defining and improperly using big words you don't understand can be irrational, but more often its a case of ignorance.
 
Don't be upset because I'm smarter.
Cat got your tongue? Why don’t you tell the rest of us poor illiterate peons what it’s like to breathe the rarified airs you and Trump share?
 
LOL. You lost because you lost working class voters. Even your own side admits to this.
The Magaletariat.

In Trump's Dictatorship of the Magaletariat.

We have nothing to lose except our rights and freedoms. A stable economy. A secure nation. The future.


MAGA !
 
This is probably the worst analysis I've ever read. And there have been Democrats argue it's our fault that Trump won. Which while there is a grain of truth in that, at the end of the day voters decided to elect a man who attempted to overthrow the 2020 election over a moderate Democrat whose also a black woman. It's MAGA and specifically the people who didn't see the danger and stayed home who are responsible.
 
That describes US politics, not any specific party.

This describes Trump specifically and quite unashamedly openly. He is the president of the billionaires, for the billionaires, and by the billionaires. This is his proud brand that he promotes as being good for America and all Americans.
 
but anti-capitolistic (sic) laws creating monopolies
I just had to go back to this bit of dumb. Capitalism, by its very nature of attempting to dominate a market, is monopolistic.....and......A LOT of laws regulating businesses are designed to STOP monopolies......and that was something liberal progressives in the US in the 20's and 30's worked to put in place.

Policies that have allowed corporations to gain patents that create monopolies are something liberals have been fighting to change.
 
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What the **** does this mean? You were just arguing the difference in crime was due to genetics, now it is "class"?

You have no idea what you are talking about.
I never said genetics. I said racism is over. The concerns about racism are a class issue and not a race issue.
Disparities no longer have anything to do with melanin nor what ethnic(s) group a person belongs to.
 
I just had to go back to this bit of dumb. Capitalism, by its very nature of attempting to dominate a market, are monopolistic.....and......A LOT of laws regulating businesses are designed to STOP monopolies......and that was something liberal progressives in the US in the 20's and 30's worked to put in place.
True, but they cannot create a monopoly in a vacuum. It takes laws to force people to purchase/use from a specific group or corporation or party.
Capitalism on it's own creates diversity and prosperity. (can't wait for your impressive reply on that statement)

Policies that have allowed corporations to gain patents that create monopolies are something liberals have been fighting to change.
I call bullshit. Both Dems and Reps are complicit. Both get massive amount of money from lobbyists and both act accordingly.
 
A LOT of laws regulating businesses are designed to STOP monopolies......

No they are not. Most laws today are written by lobbyists. If you are correct, why do we see oligopolies in the most regulated industries? Why do we see the most competition in the least regulated parts of the economy?
 
Harris isn't sexually pure.
Poe post. Oh goodie.

She's more ignorant than Donald.
By at least 1500%.

The Left can't wait to get back in and go for their imperial time in the White House.
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Federal troops aren't doing anything wrong, it's the criminals the Left pacify who are the problem.
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Yes, of the two evils, Kamala and Donald, Trump is the lesser of the two.
Trump and his bimbentourage walked into a bar.

So they lowered it.

So in my book, Harris would be a 10/10 and Trump would be 9/10 on the evil scale.
Your book is banned in Florida. And Texas. And Oklahoma.

Thankfully neither will be President in the future.


So we'll be past them both soon enough, just like we got past Biden, Obama, Clinton, etc.
Take the Amtrak. California Zephyr. (y)



Such poe-try. Great poe-st. Harris isn't sexually pure. The Hookers for Hillary voted for her. The incels voted for Trump. Poe ho ho.
 
I never said genetics.
You are lying again:

Statistically, blacks commit more crime than any other minority. That's fact, not racist.

You are arguing that genetics determine crime levels, stop lying.
Don't get into these infantile arguments about the specific word used.

I said racism is over.
Which is another bit of idiocy.
The concerns about racism are a class issue and not a race issue.
This is complete nonsense, you are defining the issue within the context of race, then you are denying the concept of race. This is idiocy.
Disparities no longer have anything to do with melanin nor what ethnic(s) group a person belongs to.
"Statistically, blacks commit more crime than any other minority."

You can't even see the contradictions in anything you say.
 
It wasn't Kamala's mixed race that was the problem it was her mixed drinks.

Which is impossible to measure since people that wouldn't vote for a black woman because she is a black woman are not going to tell you that was the reason why. They'll lie and invent post ad hoc excuses.

If Democrats had a white male running for president in 2024 they would have had a far better chance of succeeding.
 
I asked you where you got your bs from, you still will not answer.

I just posted Krivo/Peterson specifically holding income levels constant.

The study I linked was Chetty et al. (2018), which in summary shows that high-income black men (~$100K+ households) have incarceration rates (1.5–2%) similar to low-income whites (~$30K), even controlling for location.

Also, I actually took some time to read the study to understand how it defined nebulous terms like "extremely disadvantaged communities" and found that it was determined by examining four criteria: single motherhood, poverty levels, male joblessness, and # of professionals/managers. The Krivo/Peterson study doesn't show that low income whites commit more crime than high income blacks, it simply redefines what exactly "poverty" means geographically speaking. The idea being that if you have clustered communities with high frequencies of the four criteria I mentioned, you will have higher crime, regardless of race.

There are two problems I see with this hypothesis:
  • Krivo/Peterson failed to replicate the scale of their findings across different geographies. When looking at other geographies, blacks still had persistently higher rates of violent crime even when using their (in my opinion) mostly ad-hoc and arbitrary criteria.
  • The criteria they mentioned - male joblessness, professional class size, single motherhood, and poverty - might themselves be a function of some other explanatory variable. In other words, they're starting in the middle of the river and paddling upstream looking for answers.
 
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