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Does America’s police departments need some level of change\reform?

Does the police need reform/change?

  • Yes, explain:

    Votes: 10 66.7%
  • No, explain:

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Other, explain:

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Total voters
    15

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In the wake of the death of George Floyd and the protest movements organized in response to his death, one of the major goals advocated by the protest movements was reforming America’s police departments to address the issues of police brutality and a system that enables police to engage in brutal acts without facing consequences.

Does America’s police departments need some level of reform or change?
 
In the wake of the death of George Floyd and the protest movements organized in response to his death, one of the major goals advocated by the protest movements was reforming America’s police departments to address the issues of police brutality and a system that enables police to engage in brutal acts without facing consequences.

The system that allows police to get away with brutality is the same system that allows public school teachers to get paid for producing illiterate and innumerate adults.

The institution of police cannot be "reformed" for at least three reasons:

1. They will always get paid no matter how they poorly they perform. This is a characteristic of all socialist institutions.

2. They have been granted qualified immunity by the Supreme Court, which allows them to literally get away with murder.

3. Any reform must be approved of by the politically powerful police unions, and they don't believe any reform is necessary.
 
One of the main reasons is that federal guidelines really don't work due to the 10th amendment. It is very hard for any national effort to reform individual police departments. Unless they withhold funding, what leverage does any national leader have in affecting the police department of any city or town? The only way is public outrage IMHO. BLM is doing all of us a huge service by revealing this issue and demanding change. But change must happen at the local level given our structures and laws.
 
The militarization of our police forces, the war on drugs and terrorism have really changed police tactics. Hiring war veterans brings military training into the mix.

Not quite sure how you can tone it down.
 
YES, of course there has long been a need for controls on the police.

Some cops are sadistic. That's what attracted them to the job.

Some cops are liars. Judges have always known this, but they keep quiet, for they are also part of the system.

Some cops know that some elected officials impose an unofficial quota of arrests for certain crimes, so they are forced to arrest the innocent.

All these current tears for one certain group of folks are misplaced, however. They are not the only ones who may be the victim of police misconduct. But they get all the sympathy from the media and the politicians.

What a bummer!
 
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Yes. Which is why Tim Scott is introducing a police reform bill in the Senate, which, unfortunately Democrats keep blocking.

Most likely because if police reform is passed prior to November 3, it will hurt Biden’s election chances.
 
In the wake of the death of George Floyd and the protest movements organized in response to his death, one of the major goals advocated by the protest movements was reforming America’s police departments to address the issues of police brutality and a system that enables police to engage in brutal acts without facing consequences.

Does America’s police departments need some level of reform or change?

They need to be demilitarized and given additional personnel with some of the skill sets that police are expected to employ (for wellness checks, etc).
 
In the wake of the death of George Floyd and the protest movements organized in response to his death, one of the major goals advocated by the protest movements was reforming America’s police departments to address the issues of police brutality and a system that enables police to engage in brutal acts without facing consequences.

Does America’s police departments need some level of reform or change?
I think it should be a lot easier to fire bad cops just like I think it should be a lot easier to fire bad teachers. But as long as democrats lick the testicles of public sector unions that will never happen.


That said there is no pandemic of racially motivated homicides/murders by law enforcement contrary to what the media and anti-cop racists known as the Black Lives Matter are trying to claim. Here are the facts.The public has around 53 million encounters with law enforcement each year.Which is anything from something minuscule like the cops pulling someone over for speeding or jaywalking to something major like a violent crime. There are 680 thousand to 700 hundred thousand law enforcement officials in this country.Of those 53 million encounters the public has with the 680 thousand law enforcement officials only a little over 1100 people were killed by the cops each year.Of those little over 1100 people killed by the cops around 26% are black or around 300 black people each year killed by the cops. 300 is a very tiny percentage(0.000566%) out the 53 million encounters the public has with law enforcement each year. We also know the vast majority of the nearly 300 black people killed each year by the cops are not George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Eric Gardner or some other person we know for a fact was wrongfully killed by the police. Most people killed by the cops regardless of skin color usually done something retarded like attack a police officer or someone else, reach for a weapon, not drop a weapon when told to so do so or try some other way to hurt a police officer or someone else.


https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp15.pdf
In 2015, an estimated 21% of U.S. residents age 16 or older about 53.5 million person had experienced some type of contact with the police during the prior 12 months.


How Many People Are Killed by Police Each Year? - The Atlantic
1,146(26% were black people IE 298 black people killed by police) and 1,092(26% were black people IE 284 killed by police) victims of police violence in 2015 and 2016, respectively

• U.S. law enforcement officers 2018 | Statista
In 2018, there were 686,665 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the United States. The number of full-time law enforcement officers reached a peak in 2008 with 708,569 officers, and hit a low in 2013 with 626,942 officers.
 
In a decade of falling crime rates, police budgets have dramatically increased. No reason for armed police to respond to the majority of mental health, domestic violence, or traffic stops. Of course there are exceptions.

Justice for Miles Hall.
 
In the wake of the death of George Floyd and the protest movements organized in response to his death, one of the major goals advocated by the protest movements was reforming America’s police departments to address the issues of police brutality and a system that enables police to engage in brutal acts without facing consequences.

Does America’s police departments need some level of reform or change?

Not so much the DEPARTMENTS.

The police UNIONS.
 
Absolutely. They are out of control. Shoot first ask questions later is the recipe for cops lying.
 
Absolutely. They are out of control. Shoot first ask questions later is the recipe for cops lying.

Agree 100%.

Tim Scott introduces a police reform bill in the Senate, the Democrats are fighting it.

Why?

Because to some Democrats, this isn’t really about police reform. It’s about getting Trump out. Which means no police reform under Trump’s watch.

Trump has issued an EO, and is encouraging legislation. If Dems really want Trump to go further, the next step would be federalizing the police. Which is not realistic.
 
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