Do you support scrapping the H1-B Visa program?

[NatMorton]

Yes, they are.

In terms of expanding the economy they are equal.

Which person is going to pay more in taxes?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Which person is going to pay more in taxes?

We are talking about expanding the economy. Did you forget?

 

[NatMorton]

We are talking about expanding the economy. Did you firget?

Which worker does the economy value more highly?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Which worker does the economy value more highly?

We are talking about expanding the economy.

Do you have anything to say on that?

 

[NatMorton]

We are talking about expanding the economy.

Do you have anything to say on that?

I just did.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I just did.

No you didn't.

In terms of expanding the economy a worker is a worker.

You can't expand tomato production if you don't have the labor (farm wirkers) You can't expand hospital service if you don't have the labor.(Doctors, nurses)

It matters not who pays more taxes.

The article sited above proves my point.

 

[NatMorton]

No you didn't.

In terms of expanding the economy a worker is a worker.

You can't expand tomato production if you don't have the labor (farm wirkers) You can't expand hospital service if you don't have the labor.(Doctors, nurses)

It matters not who pays more taxes.

The article sited above proves my point.

That is ridiculous. For example, an AI software engineer is going to add more value to the US economy than is a ditch digger. That is why AI engineers get paid at a much higher rate: they’re more valuable because what they produce is more valuable.

 

[NolanVoyd]

That is ridiculous. For example, an AI software engineer is going to add more value to the US economy than is a ditch digger. That is why AI engineers get paid at a much higher rate: they’re more valuable because what they produce is more valuable.

You don't seem to understand the terms.

We are talking about expanding the economy, not wages, not taxes, etc.

 

[zincwarrior]

It’s the exploitation that is the problem, not the program itself.

Sometimes there truly is a need for temporary talent OR importing talent.

But more often than not in the past years it is simply being used as a way to not pay a citizen or a GC holder for the job

At least from what I’ve watched - and I’ve worked from the start up to the Fortune 50 in tech and engineering over that 20ish year timespan and only watched greater and greater reliance on H1 visas as a primary hiring method…instead of it being a “last resort” like it’s designed to be.

Yes. Immediately

 

[NatMorton]

You don't seem to understand the terms.

We are talking about expanding the economy, not wages, not taxes, etc.

Productive economies produce more value than less productive economies. Workers that produce more value than less are therefore better for an economy.

 

[holbritter]

Huh.

I said nothing about brown people. About half of Americans are brown people.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Productive economies produce more value than less productive economies. Workers that produce more value than less are therefore better for an economy.

You still don't seem to know what we are talking about .

 

[NolanVoyd]

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Yeah, apparently you totally missed my point.

You conflate American with white and foreign with brown.

Why?

 

[holbritter]

Yeah, apparently you totally missed my point.

You conflate American with white and foreign with brown.

Why?

No, you conflate foreign with slave labor and Americans as privileged. Why?

 

[NolanVoyd]

No, you conflate foreign with slave labor

No I don't.

Not even close.

and Americans as privileged. Why?

anerican workers should get the opportunity to advance to high paying jobs before we import people to take those jobs. We should invest in our own people

Do you disagree?

 

[aociswundumho]

anerican workers should get the opportunity to advance to high paying jobs before we import people to take those jobs.

Who is stopping Americans from advancing?

We should invest in our own people

What does that even mean? In the history of the world it has never been easier or cheaper to learn new skills.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Who is stopping Americans from advancing?

It takes investment.


Oh, and it's not cheaper.

Higher education is, in fact, way more expensive now than it had been in my lifetime.

 

[aociswundumho]

It takes investment.

Yes, in time and effort, not money.

Oh, and it's not cheaper.

Higher education is, in fact, way more expensive now than it had been in my lifetime.

I said "learning new skills" not "getting a degree in lesbian dance theory".

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[NolanVoyd]

Yes, in time and effort, not money.



I said "learning new skills" not "getting a degree in lesbian dance theory".

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Lol.

The people who get those jobs, the ones we are talking about importing, have actual degrees.

They didn't just audit some courses.

Across all types of schools, the cost of college has increased more than 135%, or about 2.3 times, between 1963 and 2021.


Facts matter.

 

[NatMorton]

You still don't seem to know what we are talking about .

That is because you likely lack a basic understanding of economics and think any job, no matter what it is, is worth the same as any other.

 

[NolanVoyd]

That is because you likely lack a basic understanding of economics and think any job, no matter what it is, is worth the same as any other.

That isn't what we are talking about. The worth of a job has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

 

[NatMorton]

That isn't what we are talking about. The worth of a job has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Which type of immigrant is likely to spend more money in their local economy?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Which type of immigrant is likely to spend more money in their local economy?

Wow. You keep on missing the point.

 

[aociswundumho]

Wow. You keep on missing the point.

No, you're missing the point.

Why does the nationality of the employee matter?

 

[NolanVoyd]

No, you're missing the point.

No, I'm not.