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Why would I read your post? It's an opinion so what is the big deal?It's funny that you didn't read the short thread before swooping in to try a gotcha. Read my post #5.
Because I started the thread and you accused me of hypocrisy. Which was disproven in post #5, if you bothered to read the thread.Why would I read your post? It's an opinion so what is the big deal?
Why would a reply to another hate Trump thread without a rebut about all the sleazy pardons other president did? What is your thought on those pardons?Because I started the thread and you accused me of hypocrisy. Which was disproven in post #5, if you bothered to read the thread.
Not sure.
Should we tie the hands of future presidents because Trump has poor judgement and lacks restraint?
I started the thread. I posted in the thread about other pardons. I suggest you find another hill to die on. This one is an ant hill.Why would a reply to another hate Trump thread without a rebut about all the sleazy pardons other president did? What is your thought on those pardons?
Actually it's a hate Trump ant hill you are having a hard time climbing.I started the thread. I posted in the thread about other pardons. I suggest you find another hill to die on. This one is an ant hill.
So you are saying the Hunter and Joe family were illegal pardons?Other
Presidents will retain the right to pardon people at any point of their term, but:
The limit:
People who cannot be pardoned ever:
- Elected officials of all gov't levels convicted of any felony or committing crimes of any kind connected to their office (abuse of power, influence peddling, embezzling, etc)
- Anyone convicted of spying of any kind or treason
- Anyone convicted of threatening violence/committing violence against elected officials, appointed officials like Cabinet/agency heads on any level (local, state, Fed) or judges. This also includes intentionally targeting & damaging the property of the above.
- Cop killers
Trump is why we can't have nice things.That is really what it boils down to.
Until Donald Trump this really wasn't a significant issue.
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As a rule, even if presidential pardon power is on occasion abused, I do not have a problem with pardon power. I do have a problem with pardon power by way of autopen. I do not feel that autopens should be allowed anywhere in government.Under the U.S. Constitution, the President has the power to grant pardons for federal crimes. This poll asks your opinion on whether that power should be limited.
Do you think Trump has personally reviewed and signed the 1500+ pardons he has issued since he took office?As a rule, even if presidential pardon power is on occasion abused, I do not have a problem with pardon power. I do have a problem with pardon power by way of autopen. I do not feel that autopens should be allowed anywhere in government.
Of course, you also believe that the 2020 election was stolen and the Cyber Ninjas in Arizona are going to blow the lid off the whole scheme.I do.
Every single pardon issued by Biden.
I believed based on Trump very publicly signing executive orders and pardons, that they were reviewed and he signed them. I do not see him as a fan of autopens. As for the 1500 number, I assume that it was not 1500 individual pardons, many were lumped into a much lesser number of documents. And when the late president Jimmy Carter pardoned the draft dodger that fled to Canada, they were not all on individual pardon documents.Do you think Trump has personally reviewed and signed the 1500+ pardons he has issued since he took office?
I was around when Gerald Ford issued the preemptive unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon "for any and all crimes he may have committed." This was shocking to me, because it seemed every day there were more revelations of more egregious crimes committed by Nixon and his cronies. They had actually discussed murdering certain individuals. Did they actually kill anyone? We'll never know, because the pardon put an end to all the investigations.I think a Presidential pardon should only be valid for crimes a person was actually convicted of and not crimes they might have committed in the past or future.
So what?I do not support presidential pardons.
Where were you when Biden issued them to his own family members and in a blanket fashion?
He pardoned all the people convicted of J6 crimes plus dozens of others.I believed based on Trump very publicly signing executive orders and pardons, that they were reviewed and he signed them. I do not see him as a fan of autopens. As for the 1500 number, I assume that it was not 1500 individual pardons, many were lumped into a much lesser number of documents.
You only believe this because you were told to believe this. Trump uses the autopen all the time.As a rule, even if presidential pardon power is on occasion abused, I do not have a problem with pardon power. I do have a problem with pardon power by way of autopen. I do not feel that autopens should be allowed anywhere in government.
Mass pardons on one piece of paper are different than an autopen how?I believed based on Trump very publicly signing executive orders and pardons, that they were reviewed and he signed them. I do not see him as a fan of autopens. As for the 1500 number, I assume that it was not 1500 individual pardons, many were lumped into a much lesser number of documents. And when the late president Jimmy Carter pardoned the draft dodger that fled to Canada, they were not all on individual pardon documents.
Actually, according to one SCOTUS justice, accepting a pardon inferes (admits) guilt.Unfortunately, needed change would require a constitutional amendment.
I would take away the President's unilateral power of pardon and commutation and set up a bipartisan passed board of pardons and commutation.
The board would have a partisan balance and a supermajority would be required to grant a pardon or commutation.
In addition, no person could either be pardoned or have their sentence commutated until their conviction is final and they have either completed their direct appeals or the period for bring direct appeals has expired.
Also, because pardon is essentially an act of grace, no person could be pardoned who denies their guilt and who has not expressed genuine remorse for their actions. The act of granting a pardon would be considered an imputation of guilt and the act of accepting a pardon would be considered a confession of guilt.
Additionally, neither the President nor any principal or inferior Officer of the United States could ever be pardoned for acts committed while in office, even after they have left office.
Ayup.You only believe this because you were told to believe this. Trump uses the autopen all the time.
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