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Do you believe January 6 was an “insurrection”?

Jezcoe said:
Why was there a need for crowd control in the first place?
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Donald Trump's words: "Big Protest in DC on Jan 6th. Be there. Will be wild!!"

According to Trumpers, that was an invitation to a peaceful rally.
 
The great milling about of Jan 6 was not an insurrection.

Many individuals did rise to the level of rioting and vandalism, but it was mostly peaceful otherwise - especially after the summer of violence by Democrat groups preceding it.
 
markdc said:
As you know, January 6 has been in the news lately, and it looks like Trump will keep his campaign promise to pardon some, most, or all of the J6 defendants once he returns to the Oval Office. I’m curious, do you guys believe J6 was an “insurrection” or not? And do you believe it was right for Democratic states and judges to attempt to kick Trump off the 2024 presidential ballot on the grounds that he violated the 14th Amendment by participating in said “insurrection”?
My personal opinion is that what happened at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021 constituted a riot but NOT an insurrection. To me, a REAL insurrection is what occurred in 1861 when Southern states seceded from the Union, attacked a federal fort, and started a civil war that led to the deaths of over 600k Americans. I also believe that Trump should NOT have been removed from any state ballots in the recent election; my view was that whether or not Trump secured a second term to the presidency should be up to the voters. (FYI: In case you think my opinion on this matter is motivated by persona bias, then know that I didn’t vote for either Trump or Harris in November.)

Mark
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Jan 6 meets the definition of an insurrection, that is, “a violent uprising against an authority or government.” (Both the Oxford dictionary and Britannica.) It was an uprising, it was violent, and it was against the authority of the government — the House of Representatives.
 
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Gardener said:
The great milling about of Jan 6 was not an insurrection.

Many individuals did rise to the level of rioting and vandalism, but it was mostly peaceful otherwise - especially after the summer of violence by Democrat groups preceding it.
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What do you consider the organized behavior of many militia and nationalist groups? Denial or excuses?
 
Nickyjo said:
Jan 6 meets the definition of an insurrection, that is, “a violent uprising against an authority or government.” (Both the Oxford dictionary and Britannica.) It was an uprising, it was violent, and it was against the authority of the government — the House of Representatives.
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Seems obvious...doesn't it?
 
JMR said:
Seems obvious...doesn't it?
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It does, though some people asume it should have resembled the Civil War. It more or less resembles the storming of the Bastille, tho far less violent and deadly.

But why do some, who I assume are Trump supporters, have so much invested in denying what we all saw? I don’t think Trump was ever going to be denied elective office because of his role as a cause of the event.
 
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JMR said:
What do you consider the organized behavior of many militia and nationalist groups? Denial or excuses?
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I believe in a constant application of terms.

You are a complete partisan, so you do not.
 
Nickyjo said:
It does, though some people asume it should have resembled the Civil War. It more or less resembles the storming of the Bastille, tho far less violent and deadly.

But why do some, who I assume are Trump supporters, have so much invested in denying what we all saw? I don’t think Trump was ever going to be denied elective office because of his role as a cause of the event.
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It's Sean Spicer disease. Once afflicted there is no cure it seems.
 
Gardener said:
I believe in a constant application of terms.

You are a complete partisan, so you do not.
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You post insults and no actual responses.

The world witnessed the reality of Jan. 6th. The world witnesses you and your MAGA minions denying reality.

And DP gets to witness your devotion to a very unworthy man.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It apparently didn’t seem so to AG Garland, since he didn’t have the DOJ charge anyone involved in the J6 US Capitol riot with insurrection.
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As AG he would bring charges that he was confident could be prosecuted. Often crimes are left uncharged...you don't think this was the first time do you?
 
JMR said:
It's Sean Spicer disease. Once afflicted there is no cure it seems.
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Apparently Sean has some regrets about his crowd size comments.

Btw, will be interesting to see how many folks show up in January. I assume the organizers will be trying to pull out as many MAGA folk as possible.
 
JMR said:
You post insults and no actual responses.

The world witnessed the reality of Jan. 6th. The world witnesses you and your MAGA minions denying reality.

And DP gets to witness your devotion to a very unworthy man.
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I have never voted for Trump.

You are utterly partisan so assume everybody else is as partisan as you.
 
JMR said:
As AG he would bring charges that he was confident could be prosecuted.
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Exactly, so it wasn’t obvious to the DOJ that they could prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) that the J6 US Capitol riot was an insurrection.

JMR said:
Often crimes are left uncharged...you don't think this was the first time do you?
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I agree that ‘prosecutorial discretion’ often results in lower (lesser?) criminal charges (often coupled with plea bargains) to discourage the need for jury trials.
 
Gardener said:
I have never voted for Trump.

You are utterly partisan so assume everybody else is as partisan as you.
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LOL, are you playing the game I will defend him at every turn, but I didn't vote for him, so therefore I am not a partisan?

I'm just a average NeverTrumper, waiting for your hero to do one thing good for America. I expect it will be a long wait.
 
Gardener said:
I have never voted for Trump.

You are utterly partisan so assume everybody else is as partisan as you.
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Many on the left seem to think that anyone who disagrees with them is (or must be) a Trump supporter, Trump voter or MAGAt.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Exactly, so it wasn’t obvious to the DOJ that they could prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) that the J6 US Capitol riot was an insurrection.



I agree that ‘prosecutorial discretion’ often results in lower (lesser?) criminal charges (often coupled with plea bargains) to discourage the need for jury trials.
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Seems we are in somewhat of agreement here. Since it appears clear that the "reasonable doubt" issue is all that separates us, do you totally rule out the possibility that Jan. 6 qualifies as an insurrection?
 
They should be very glad that I was not involved in their disposition.

I have a short way with traitor scum.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Many on the left seem to think that anyone who disagrees with them is (or must be) a Trump supporter, Trump voter or MAGAt.
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That is because politics to them is nothing beyond a team sport.

Have you ever noticed how almost all of them talk in terms of WE instead of I?
 
JMR said:
Seems we are in somewhat of agreement here. Since it appears clear that the "reasonable doubt" issue is all that separates us, do you totally rule out the possibility that Jan. 6 qualifies as an insurrection?
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Mostly, since a rioting mob which results in inflicting damage to and/or disruption of proceedings in a government (e.g. executive, legislative or judicial) building isn’t necessarily an insurrection. The US Civil War lasting years and killing many thousands is far different than the J6 US Capitol riot lasting a few hours and killing one ‘protestor’.
 
JMR said:
LOL, are you playing the game I will defend him at every turn, but I didn't vote for him, so therefore I am not a partisan?

I'm just a average NeverTrumper, waiting for your hero to do one thing good for America. I expect it will be a long wait.
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Why would he be my hero when I didn't vote for him?

Doubling down on the silly partisan crap doesn't make it any more convincing than first time around.
 
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