Do you agree with the PBA ban approved by the SCOTUS today?

[DeeJayH]

Doesn't always work sometimes it breaks or there is incompetence involved.

the percentages are incredibly low
especially if you use more than one method
sorry, please try again

 

[DeeJayH]

Like I have said before a baby in the womb is a "possible baby". It may live it may not. You could say the same thing about a zygote being formed by a sperm and an egg. What the hell is the difference between taking morning after pills and having an abortion(except the fact that one is easier)? Maybe you should see it from the woman who is having the abortion's eyes. Most of these usually young girls mess up by not taking the pill or be unfortunately one of the few where the medicine does not work on and are stuck with an early pregnacy. These can prevent them from reaching their goals in life and are quite an embarrassment.

ooooooooooo, it going to affect my life
ooooooooooo, it is embarassing,
too ****!ng bad
try taking responsibility for YOUR ACTIONS
why is that such a foriegn concept to the pro-choicers

and dont throw the red herring of contraception fails
as a previous post, AS OF YET UNDISPUTED, shows how few abortions are a result of that

 

[Stinger]

Like I have said before a baby in the womb is a "possible baby".

:rofl oh geez, I've had three new grandkids in the last 18 months, I can imagine at anytime during any of those pregancies going up to my daughter(in-laws), and asking "how's that little possible baby doing in thier today"...............what absurdity. They would have laughed me out the door.

It may live it may not.

It is already living. But on that token, you may live or you may not, does that mean we can kill you?

 

[bismitch]

Ummm do you need to go back to biology class? The sperm has to GET to the egg before there could be a "baby"... so using a condom is killing of nothing..because the sperm doesn't get there. My 11 year old gets that fact. Well, she is a smart girl.

Your argument is flawed. Very flawed... time to go back to the drawing board. Need new crayons?

Ewww I'm so insulted. Besides I'm not too far away from her age. Yeah I would love to go back to Honors Bio 30 and get another 95. Good times... Oh well Chem is more fun right now. Okay first of all you need to look at my agruement, I am talking about "possible babies" not babies. There is a time period when there is a high likelyhood of a miscarriage and most abortions are well within this time period, I am saying that when you are delibertly aborting a baby you are killing a "possible baby". If you are using a condom you are also killing a "possible baby". It is a cause and effect example.. using protective measures or abstinence is preventing a baby from coming to existence. So you are preventing a baby to see the world just as if you were to use a pill or abort it. Once a baby comes out of that womb and sees the world it in my mind is completely and utterly bound to the protection of our justice system.

 

[bismitch]

the percentages are incredibly low
especially if you use more than one method
sorry, please try again

Yes but there are still a very significant amount of cases where the prevention methods do not work.

 

[bismitch]

:rofl oh geez, I've had three new grandkids in the last 18 months, I can imagine at anytime during any of those pregancies going up to my daughter(in-laws), and asking "how's that little possible baby doing in thier today"...............what absurdity. They would have laughed me out the door.



It is already living. But on that token, you may live or you may not, does that mean we can kill you?

Yes, but that baby has not developed its brain and other vital organs and is not a human yet. If you consider a vegetable a person then I guess you could consider a unborn child a person.

 

[DeeJayH]

Yes but there are still a very significant amount of cases where the prevention methods do not work.

adn since you post no proof of that
i will put forth my own hypothesis

most of those 'my birth control failed' are just too ashamed to admit that they not only risked pregnancy but every STD because they DID NOT USE CONDOMS
pill is great, but it only protects against pregnancy
therefor any adult who has sex without condoms is a ****tard and gets what they deserve

 

[DeeJayH]

Yes, but that baby has not developed its brain and other vital organs and is not a human yet. If you consider a vegetable a person then I guess you could consider a unborn child a person.

vegetables are in every hospital, adn they are just as human as anybody else
sorry

 

[debate_junkie]

Ewww I'm so insulted. Besides I'm not too far away from her age. Yeah I would love to go back to Honors Bio 30 and get another 95. Good times... Oh well Chem is more fun right now. Okay first of all you need to look at my agruement, I am talking about "possible babies" not babies. There is a time period when there is a high likelyhood of a miscarriage and most abortions are well within this time period, I am saying that when you are delibertly aborting a baby you are killing a "possible baby". If you are using a condom you are also killing a "possible baby". It is a cause and effect example.. using protective measures or abstinence is preventing a baby from coming to existence. So you are preventing a baby to see the world just as if you were to use a pill or abort it. Once a baby comes out of that womb and sees the world it in my mind is completely and utterly bound to the protection of our justice system.

There is no cause and effect. Your methodology is flawed. Using a condom kills nothing. You need fertilization for there to be a baby, period. There is no such thing as a possible baby. Even when a woman miscarries, she didn't miscarry a "possible baby". She miscarries a child.. a child that she grieves for because she her body couldn't bring it to term. How is that just "possible"?

Just because a condom prevents fertilization... it's nothing. There is no relation between the two. An abortion kills what has already fertilized. The condom prevents it. Can you not see the difference? or is this your way of justfiying your savagery against babies?

 

[Alex]

Oh. So if she screws a guy, and gets pregnant, it's not his kid, too? How about it's the responsibility of EVERY person who wishes to engage in sex, but isn't ready to have kids, to use protection? Wow... what a concept.

The reality is that a woman gets pregnant, a woman carries the baby, and a woman gives birth to the baby. If she does not want to have a baby, the sole responsibilty of protection or termination is with her.

 

[debate_junkie]

adn since you post no proof of that
i will put forth my own hypothesis

most of those 'my birth control failed' are just too ashamed to admit that they not only risked pregnancy but every STD because they DID NOT USE CONDOMS
pill is great, but it only protects against pregnancy
therefor any adult who has sex without condoms is a ****tard and gets what they deserve

Actually DeeJay..heh my second daughter is a "protection failed" baby. But my husband I knew there was a risk I could get pregnant easier. I'd just had a cervical cancer scare, and had to have cauterization done. Wasn't allowed any type of sexual activity for 6 months. When the doctor gave us the all go, he'd advised using protection because my reproductive system was still coming to grips with all that had gone on. So yeah, even with it.. I still got pregnant.

Now having said that, I couldn't conceive for a moment... aborting her. Even as sick as I was, the 25 pounds I lost in a month, the constant IV's, 3 or 4 surgeries for hickman catheter's that continued to go bad. It's easy to think a pregnancy is inconvenient, especially the two that I had...but the end result has been worth it for the last 14 years.

 

[debate_junkie]

The reality is that a woman gets pregnant, a woman carries the baby, and a woman gives birth to the baby. If she does not want to have a baby, the sole responsibilty of protection or termination is with her.

No it's NOT the reality. Because if there are no men... women don't get pregnant. They are JUST as responsible as she is. But then again, I almost picture you being the poster hero for every deadbeat parent on the planet.

 

[Alex]

Actually DeeJay..heh my second daughter is a "protection failed" baby. But my husband I knew there was a risk I could get pregnant easier. I'd just had a cervical cancer scare, and had to have cauterization done. Wasn't allowed any type of sexual activity for 6 months. When the doctor gave us the all go, he'd advised using protection because my reproductive system was still coming to grips with all that had gone on. So yeah, even with it.. I still got pregnant.

Now having said that, I couldn't conceive for a moment... aborting her. Even as sick as I was, the 25 pounds I lost in a month, the constant IV's, 3 or 4 surgeries for hickman catheter's that continued to go bad. It's easy to think a pregnancy is inconvenient, especially the two that I had...but the end result has been worth it for the last 14 years.

And that is a decision that you made. Every woman deserves the same choice.

 

[Jerry]

Like I have said before a baby in the womb is a "possible baby". It may live it may not. You could say the same thing about a zygote being formed by a sperm and an egg. What the hell is the difference between taking morning after pills and having an abortion(except the fact that one is easier)? Maybe you should see it from the woman who is having the abortion's eyes. Most of these usually young girls mess up by not taking the pill or be unfortunately one of the few where the medicine does not work on and are stuck with an early pregnacy. These can prevent them from reaching their goals in life and are quite an embarrassment.

Yeah, you do know that this ONLY concerns a limited few abortion practices, and not the majority of abortions, right? Most abortions are performed in the first trimester, and this ruling does not touch or effect first trimester abortions at all, so what are you guys arguing about?

 

[debate_junkie]

And that is a decision that you made. Every woman deserves the same choice.

It's not a matter of choice.. it's responsibility. I knew when I got into that bed with my husband, and we had sex.. WHAT the risks we were undertaking were. I didn't try to abdicate them by crying "woe is me.. I can't fulfill my life now because I was too stupid to have my priorities in order"

 

[jamesrage]

Yes but there are still a very significant amount of cases where the prevention methods do not work.

What are the numbers on that?

 

[bismitch]

There is no cause and effect. Your methodology is flawed. Using a condom kills nothing. You need fertilization for there to be a baby, period. There is no such thing as a possible baby. Even when a woman miscarries, she didn't miscarry a "possible baby". She miscarries a child.. a child that she grieves for because she her body couldn't bring it to term. How is that just "possible"?

Just because a condom prevents fertilization... it's nothing. There is no relation between the two. An abortion kills what has already fertilized. The condom prevents it. Can you not see the difference? or is this your way of justfiying your savagery against babies?

bismitch's defintion of a possible baby: A entity(could even be an idea or thought) that has not been born yet, that has chance to become a human being.
Okay if you and your husband or significant other had a heated discussion where you wanted to have a baby and he didn't want you too. If he eventually convinced you and he was the sole reason why you did not have that baby. Didn't he in a way prevent that possible baby from going to step one and ineffect killed it.
The dissagreement that you seem to have with me is that a baby that is in the womb is a possible baby. You seem to consider it to having all the bells and whistles of being a human being, however it does not have a developed brain and does not have senses yet. I don't consider life to happen until a possible baby experiences the outside world and begins to think for itself
"Using a condom kills nothing"....okay it kills off millions of sperm cells. And like I said before kills off possible babies.

 

[bismitch]

I'll argue with you guys more in the morning, the Internet at my school turns off soon.

 

[debate_junkie]

bismitch's defintion of a possible baby: A entity(could even be an idea or thought) that has not been born yet, that has chance to become a human being.
Okay if you and your husband or significant other had a heated discussion where you wanted to have a baby and he didn't want you too. If he eventually convinced you and he was the sole reason why you did not have that baby. Didn't he in a way prevent that possible baby from going to step one and ineffect killed it.
The dissagreement that you seem to have with me is that a baby that is in the womb is a possible baby. You seem to consider it to having all the bells and whistles of being a human being, however it does not have a developed brain and does not have senses yet. I don't consider life to happen until a possible baby experiences the outside world and begins to think for itself
"Using a condom kills nothing"....okay it kills off millions of sperm cells. And like I said before kills off possible babies.

Well following your logic, everytime a man masturbates, he kills off possible babies. Everytime a woman menstruates, when that egg, that hasn't been fertilized, dispels from her body, she kills off a possible baby too :roll: You still don't see how flawed that is? Or do you actually believe that the argument of "possible babies" holds any weight into the lives of real people who've actually had REAL babies?

 

[doughgirl]

The difference today is that living, breathing unborn children no longer will be ripped out of their mothers' wombs through the partial birth abortion procedure. Like Navy said, a great victory for those who are pro-life.

 

[Jerry]

The difference today is that living, breathing unborn children no longer will be ripped out of their mothers' wombs through the partial birth abortion procedure. Like Navy said, a great victory for those who are pro-life.

Even I'm going to call you on that one...if it ain't born, its lungs have no air.

 

[Gibberish]

The difference today is that living, breathing unborn children no longer will be ripped out of their mothers' wombs through the partial birth abortion procedure. Like Navy said, a great victory for those who are pro-life.

I'm Pro-Choice and I think this is a great victory too. It's a terrible act to abort a fetus that can possibly survive on it's own.

 

[FallingPianos]

this did not reaffirm roe vs wade. roe vs wade required that post-viability abortion restrictions contain an exception for the womans health.

the partial birth abortion ban act has no such exception.

 

[debate_junkie]

this did not reaffirm roe vs wade. roe vs wade required that post-viability abortion restrictions contain an exception for the womans health.

the partial birth abortion ban act has no such exception.

Are they really necessary? If carrying a pregnancy to term was going to present a problem, you'd think it would have presented itself (except for those cases where there are problems DURING and after delivery that no one can forsee).

I know I knnow, women do have problems with childbirth. I get it. A local DJ passed 10 days after having her baby, because of complications no one could have forseen. Are you asking for an exception in the event that there are complications (which in and of itself is relatively rare) that haven't and possibly won't present themselves until the actual birth?

 

[Felicity]

Even I'm going to call you on that one...if it ain't born, its lungs have no air.

Well...we say fish breathe underwater.

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