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Do teachers get paid enough?

Do teachers get paid enough?

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ttwtt78640 said:
Yes, or they would quit and qualified replacements would refuse to apply. This applies to any profession.
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Im guessing thats why many states like KS are facing teacher shortages...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Teachers on average have seen a dip in their pay, and teachers earn $750 less per year than 14 years ago. And now they are spending more and teaching longer and to more students every year.

Do you think teachers get paid enough?
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A "good" teacher cannot be paid enough. Unfortunately, the good ones are hard to find. I can't use a Yes or No answer.
 
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Painter said:
Looking at this chart: How much teachers get paid — state by state - The Washington Post

Teachers are paid enough as compared to other professions.
ESPECIALLY when you consider that they get the summer off in most cases, in addition to all of the paid vacations.
Teachers have a chance to take on a summer temp job. In some places such as summer tourist towns, these type supplemental jobs pay well and are easy to come by.

However, if you want better teachers, you might want to pay them a bit more.
If you are evaluating the performance of our teachers and the success of our students, it would indicate that the pay is not enough.

I am only OK with paying teachers more if other professions are looked into as well.
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oh, it's this myth again.
 
There's no way in hell I'd want to teach.

The pay sucks, you are the first ones to get cut/squeezed by states, and this whole testing stuff would take any sort of interesting part out of teaching.

I have a friend that is very smart, got his masters and teaches. I think he makes around 40k and wants to move into administration because that's the only way to make money.
My brother and I are the same age, both with masters degrees and we make more than three times what he does. It's ****ing insane.
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess the real issue is-

do the schools get sufficient numbers of qualified applicants? if so the answer is YES

if not, the answer is NO
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They do not. Education Majors typically have the lowest scores of all undergraduate students, demonstrate the least increase in learning while in college, and the Education Masters has to be the easiest one in order to graduate enough of them. Because we do not pay our teachers enough, we do not attract our talent to that job field.

We need to increase teacher pay, and we need to bring in a merit system that allows high-performing teachers to make more in order to attract talent to the profession. Simply jacking up teacher pay without doing anything else would threaten state and local budgets, and so the entire compensation package should be shifted more towards what we see in our other top-talent fields: Larger pay upfront with no or sharply reduced "out year" benefits.
 
Even moreso, we need many more teachers and more classrooms. The single factor that always improves student performance is smaller classes. But yes, many teachers are horrifically underpaid compared to the gravity of the job they do. Fundamental education is a perfect example of something that is too important to leave to the nonsense of the market. It works for commodities, not for essentials. So yes, as a society, we need to value education more, and part of that is compensating teachers more.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Isn't the purpose of public school to educate the uneducated and the poor? If it cant do that why am I paying for it?
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You can't educate a large portion of the population. That is a myth. If 25% of the people have IQ's below 90 what can you do? If you have families with a history of being uneducated what are you going to do? When you have kids fitting these two catagories being passed up from the primary grades to high-school that can't read, write or do basic math what are you going to do?
 
natsb said:
The purpose of public school is to educate all students, regardless of abilities or financial status.

I agree, if a school can't do that it should be shut down or the staff in it replaced. Failing schools should not receive unending funding.
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You can educate everybody in that they will learn "something" but only non-teachers make ignorant comments that all students can achieve something of merit.
 
Didnt answer. Because IMO teachers should be paid on merit and fired if they arent effective. I dont think they should be unionized.

I dont think their pay should be judged solely on one class or even one year....but there are trends. There are other benchmarks.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You can't educate a large portion of the population. That is a myth. If 25% of the people have IQ's below 90 what can you do? If you have families with a history of being uneducated what are you going to do? When you have kids fitting these two catagories being passed up from the primary grades to high-school that can't read, write or do basic math what are you going to do?
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You should look up iq and normal distribution.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
16% below 85, 25% below 90.....

Reeeeeaaalllly close. Not.
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Why do you set yourself up to be humiliated? :lol:

15.8 below 85
take less then half 0f 34.1 from 85-100, say 10%, and you EASILY reach 25%.

Thanks for the easy lob. Too bad you can't play better.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why do you set yourself up to be humiliated? :lol:

15.8 below 85
take less then half 0f 34.1 from 85-100, say 10%, and you EASILY reach 25%.

Thanks for the easy lob. Too bad you can't play better.
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actually, when you integrate on the stanford-binet, ~23.17% are at 89 and lower.

I assumed (bad idea, I know)you were commenting that you thought 10 was the standard deviation.
If you knew the shape of a normal distribution, and the SD for IQ, you would know 25% @ 90 is impossible due to the change in curvature in that region.


The more important point being, you should be grouping people into groups by SD, not by random %s

Either way, you're wrong. Thanks for doubling down though!
 
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Bodhisattva said:
The USA gets great results until you count in illegal immigrants, immigrants that don't speak English, gangs, inner city poor and uneducated, etc.
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That, and they contribute nothing financially to public education in the US. They, like many others in the US, literally get free public education.
 
natsb said:
Getting Government out of education is a great idea. A for profit school is going to try a lot harder to keep students than a school with guaranteed income. The solution to your concern is simple. Give every student a voucher. That way the school treats every student the same regardless of family income. It is time for the left to become pro-choice.
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Public schools get much of their money from student enrollment and the days they are in attendance. This is why many schools allow students outside the district to enroll, and push for optimum attendance; to get more federal $.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
actually, when you integrate on the stanford-binet, ~23.17% are at 89 and lower.

I assumed (bad idea, I know)you were commenting that you thought 10 was the standard deviation.
If you knew the shape of a normal distribution, and the SD for IQ, you would know 25% @ 90 is impossible due to the change in curvature in that region.


The more important point being, you should be grouping people into groups by SD, not by random %s

Either way, you're wrong. Thanks for doubling down though!
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It was an estimate that you actually help prove with your cut and paste off of a statistic website... :lol:

You said, "really close... not". Thanks for proving me correct and that I was really close... that **** was really funny too. :lol:
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064923047 said:
That, and they contribute nothing financially to public education in the US. They, like many others in the US, literally get free public education.
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But they really don't. I know what you mean though...
 
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