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DO I support racism?[W:433]

Do I support racism?

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Re: DO I support racism?

rabbitcaebannog said:
Then let me clarify what I mean by restraint.

re·strain
riˈstrān/
verb
1.
prevent (someone or something) from doing something; keep under control or within limits.
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Not selling you something does not prevent you from doing something. Indeed, it's decidedly a lack of action.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
wrong ,I am not keeping you from doing WHAT YOU WANT, however you have no right to do what you want through me, if I do not wish it.

I am not your vessel, to use as you wish.
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Um, yes you are if you deny a person service because you don't like the color of their skin. That is called oppression.
 
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JayDubya said:
Not selling you something does not prevent you from doing something. Indeed, it's decidedly a lack of action.
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Right, because if I want to buy a bottle of water but can't unless I walk 20 miles to the nearest place that will allow me to do so just because of my skin color, sexual orientation or religion....., that doesn't prevent from undue hardship:roll:
 
Re: DO I support racism?

rabbitcaebannog said:
Um, yes you are if you deny a person service because you don't like the color of their skin. That is called oppression.
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No, the government mandating that you must not give custom (as in Jim Crow laws that dictated such) or mandating that you must give custom (as certain parts of CRA 1964 do) are both oppressive.

Our association with government is not voluntary. Government actions ultimately have the backing of coercive force, which is why government needs to be limited in its actions by law and kept on a short leash less it become oppressive.

Association with businesses are voluntary. I don't have to work with any particular business. A business cannot oppress me.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

rabbitcaebannog said:
Right, because if I want to buy a bottle of water but can't unless I walk 20 miles to the nearest place that will allow me to do so just because of my skin color, sexual orientation or religion....., that doesn't prevent from undue hardship:roll:
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why did you just not make it a 100 miles, it would have made your case more desperate sounding.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

rabbitcaebannog said:
Right, because if I want to buy a bottle of water
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Then you can find someone to sell you a bottle of water or you can't. Either way, no one is hurting you by not selling you something.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

JayDubya said:
No, the government mandating that you must not give custom (as in Jim Crow laws that dictated such) or mandating that you must give custom (as certain parts of CRA 1964 do) are both oppressive.

Our association with government is not voluntary. Government actions ultimately have the backing of coercive force, which is why government needs to be limited in its actions by law and kept on a short leash less it become oppressive.

Association with businesses are voluntary. I don't have to work with any particular business. A business cannot oppress me.
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That's a bunch of bunk. Most services are being privatized if not already so.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
why did you just not make it a 100 miles, it would have made your case more desperate sounding.
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The nearest bottled water seller is 20000 leagues under the sea. But I hear it's hotter under the water on account of musical fish or something.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

rabbitcaebannog said:
That's a bunch of bunk. Most services are being privatized if not already so.
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Obvious response is obvious - businesses contracting government work have to follow the terms of their government contracts.

Governments aren't allowed to discriminate and shouldn't be allowed to do so; they operate using public property.
 
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JayDubya said:
The nearest bottled water seller is 20000 leagues under the sea. But I hear it's hotter under the water on account of musical fish or something.
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I wonder if a woman, who hires a male escort, ..has the right to demand a human essence sample, before the date is over.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
since you are seeking the business owner out, he is not oppressing you.
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It is a product I seek. Business shouldn't have the authority to oppress. That is a thing called tyranny. The power is in businesses hands and people are oppressed just because of something like skin color, sexual orientation, religion.....
 
Re: DO I support racism?

ernst barkmann said:
I wonder if a woman, who hires a male escort, ..has the right to demand a human essence sample, before the date is over.
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Heh, you sound like General Ripper from Dr. Strangelove.

As a technical matter, no, while the services contracted (illegally in most places, not that I agree with it's legality) will possible lead to that, what is purchased is a service, not a good. Also, ew.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

JayDubya said:
Obvious response is obvious - businesses contracting government work have to follow the terms of their government contracts.

Governments aren't allowed to discriminate and shouldn't be allowed to do so; they operate using public property.
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Did you NOT read what I wrote. I'll type it again....most service are being privatized if not already so.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

rabbitcaebannog said:
It is a product I seek. Business shouldn't have the authority to oppress.
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Agreed, business should not have the authority to oppress.

They don't now and they wouldn't if you respected their property rights in this regard either, so that notion is tangential to the matter at hand.

As already pointed out, my association with the cheeseburger place down the street is voluntary. I have money, they have cheeseburgers; nothing compels me to trade my money for their cheeseburgers... it is unreasonable, unfair, and entirely needless to compel them to trade me cheeseburgers for my money.

The business owner wants to do so because the business owner wants money.

rabbitcaebannog said:
Did you NOT read what I wrote. I'll type it again....most service are being privatized if not already so.
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And that is often a good thing, as any service not specifically authorized in the federal or the several state constitutions should be privatized if not eliminated. But as stated, "privatization" often involves contract work... government contractors are limited in the same way governments are.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

rabbitcaebannog said:
It is a product I seek. Business shouldn't have the authority to oppress. That is a thing called tyranny. The power is in businesses hands and people are oppressed just because of something like skin color, sexual orientation, religion.....
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a product? what if its a service business.

no, government is tyrannical, business is not, it does not have the power of coercion, force to make you do anything.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

ernst barkmann said:
a product? what if its a service business.

no, government is tyrannical, people are not.
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Same thing. Providing electrical power is a service. And, you are completely incorrect in your assumption that only government can be tyrannical.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

JayDubya said:
Heh, you sound like General Ripper from Dr. Strangelove.

As a technical matter, no, while the services contracted (illegally in most places, not that I agree with it's legality) will possible lead to that, what is purchased is a service, not a good. Also, ew.
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yeah, they call me Bucky.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

rabbitcaebannog said:
Same thing. Providing electrical power is a service. And, you are completely incorrect in your assumption that only government can be tyrannical.
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how can a business be tyrannical...since the customer is not bound .
 
Re: DO I support racism?

ernst barkmann said:
a product? what if its a service business.

no, government is tyrannical, business is not, it does not have the power of coercion, force to make you do anything.
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That is not so. If a business refuses to provide goods/services to you (for whatever reason) then you are forced to seek those goods/services elsewhere.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

ttwtt78640 said:
That is not so. If a business refuses to provide goods/services to you (for whatever reason) then you are forced to seek those goods/services elsewhere.
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so because I will not deal with him, I am being tyrannical?
 
Re: DO I support racism?

ernst barkmann said:
I cant have power over you since you have the ability to walk away.
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Wrong again. Power also is the ability to direct or influence how others will live.

Making it hard for someone to find products or services due to skin color, sexual orientation, religion....is power.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

ttwtt78640 said:
That is not so. If a business refuses to provide goods/services to you (for whatever reason) then you are forced to seek those goods/services elsewhere.
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Well presuming you want them that badly, but there's that word - "want." You're certainly not entitled to buy any particular good or service from anyone, let alone everyone.

Of course, on that same note, no particular provider can force you to buy from them.
 
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