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DO I support racism?[W:433]

Do I support racism?


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Re: DO I support racism?

You're not considering the societal implications and the goverment's mandate to protect the rights of everyone and not just racist assholes.

The right to be a racist in public business is trumped by the rights of others.

Personally, I simply look at such individuals as failures and deserving of having their business a failure.

Personally, I would rather know of such an individual. That way I know to take my business elsewhere at the outset, instead of them only pretending to treat everybody equally. Myself, I can't stand hypocrisy. I believe it is everybody's right to be an asshole, and I actually applaud people for showing the world their assholeness.

Would not stop me from shunning them, but I would respect their honesty (if not their decency).
 
Re: DO I support racism?

guy you need to stop with the white racist crap, and stay with me here..instead of now turning no the republican party.

Y'know, guy, I grew up racist, and my family was racist...but if you'd asked any of us, we'd said "Hell no, we're not racist!" And we would have been telling what we thought was the truth.

We didn't realize that we were racist...and the same goes for most racists in America. It's only a very small minority that admit to it. The great majority have no problem interacting with other races...until those non-white people are out of earshot, and out come all the insults, all the prejudice...and all the decisions to vote for policies and laws that would hurt or hinder those nonwhites.

It's a silent racism...but it's there, very much so.

And don't tell me I'm making this stuff up because I lived it...and I remember - and used - that racist dog-whistle language so prevalent on the Right even today. Lee Atwater - who was the campaign manager for George H. W. Bush (whom I like and admire to this day) said it best:

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
 
Re: DO I support racism?

Personally, I simply look at such individuals as failures and deserving of having their business a failure.

Personally, I would rather know of such an individual. That way I know to take my business elsewhere at the outset, instead of them only pretending to treat everybody equally. Myself, I can't stand hypocrisy. I believe it is everybody's right to be an asshole, and I actually applaud people for showing the world their assholeness.

Would not stop me from shunning them, but I would respect their honesty (if not their decency).

We cannot allow them to harm the market and society just because they want to be racist in public business. We must protect the rights of everyone and not just the racist.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

The right to life.

wrong!!!...right to life is not an exercisable right.

you dont choose to die today and live tomorrow.

an exercisable right is a right to choose ..you can choose to or not to:

pray

free speech

carry a firearm

engage in commerce

protest
 
Re: DO I support racism?

Y'know, guy, I grew up racist, and my family was racist...but if you'd asked any of us, we'd said "Hell no, we're not racist!" And we would have been telling what we thought was the truth.

We didn't realize that we were racist...and the same goes for most racists in America. It's only a very small minority that admit to it. The great majority have no problem interacting with other races...until those non-white people are out of earshot, and out come all the insults, all the prejudice...and all the decisions to vote for policies and laws that would hurt or hinder those nonwhites.

It's a silent racism...but it's there, very much so.

And don't tell me I'm making this stuff up because I lived it...and I remember - and used - that racist dog-whistle language so prevalent on the Right even today. Lee Atwater - who was the campaign manager for George H. W. Bush (whom I like and admire to this day) said it best:

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

back to republicans.... again i see.....oh well i guess that's all you have, you have to go with it i suppose
 
Re: DO I support racism?

wrong!!!...right to life is not an exercisable right.

you dont choose to die today and live tomorrow.

an exercisable right is a right to choose ..you can choose to or not to:

pray

free speech

carry a firearm

engage in commerce

protest


I think the answer should be pretty obvious to you, given that a business is public.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

We cannot allow them to harm the market and society just because they want to be racist in public business. We must protect the rights of everyone and not just the racist.

I think you are missing what I am saying.

What about the thousands of businesses that are racist, but simply hide it? The ones that will never hire a minority as an employee, or when they downsize they happen to cut the guy who is homosexual, or that for some reason never calls back the guy with the Jewish last name?

And there is not a damned thing that can be done about businesses like that. They will continue to hide, and behave in the exact same manner, simply keep it hidden so nobody else discovers this.

I would much rather have them out in the open, so I can make the conscious choice to never deal with them again. And why on earth would anybody want to deal with somebody like that? If they had a sign in the window saying "No wetbacks allowed", why would anybody who was a decent person (let alone somebody Hispanic) want to deal with them in the first place?
 
Re: DO I support racism?

Y'know, guy, I grew up racist, and my family was racist...but if you'd asked any of us, we'd said "Hell no, we're not racist!" And we would have been telling what we thought was the truth.

Glenn, everybody is a racist. And the person who tries to tell you they are not is lying.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

well i see you failed in naming a right.. ..so you going to take another way out

You cannot buy your own country and your own exemption for laws by buying land - which is your claim.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

Glenn, everybody is a racist. And the person who tries to tell you they are not is lying.

How am I a racist when I am not a racist?
 
Re: DO I support racism?

rights for the public at large cannot be taken away, but for an individual they can, by his actions.
If the courts rules that a Bus company must accomodate all, then that is an idividual. The bus company has rights. And those rights can be denied, altered and conficated by due process. The bus company, as an individual with the same rights as us all, has to adhere to the laws just as we do.

property can be taken and paid for by government, however that property is to be used for the public good, ..not for a select group or individual..for the good of the nation as a whole

Kelo v. City of New London. The court allowed government more flexibility on how the property can be used.

congress under constitutional law, has no legislative authority over private or state property--- article 1 section 8 clause 17

there is no clause 17 of sec 8, Article I.

Show me what you mean...

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8
Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress<<Back | Table of Contents | Next>>
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
 
Re: DO I support racism?

I think you are missing what I am saying.

What about the thousands of businesses that are racist, but simply hide it? The ones that will never hire a minority as an employee, or when they downsize they happen to cut the guy who is homosexual, or that for some reason never calls back the guy with the Jewish last name?

And there is not a damned thing that can be done about businesses like that. They will continue to hide, and behave in the exact same manner, simply keep it hidden so nobody else discovers this.

I would much rather have them out in the open, so I can make the conscious choice to never deal with them again. And why on earth would anybody want to deal with somebody like that? If they had a sign in the window saying "No wetbacks allowed", why would anybody who was a decent person (let alone somebody Hispanic) want to deal with them in the first place?

So you are claiming that the racial segregation and harms of it from 1849 to 1950 never actually existed in the United States at all - like a holocaust denier? "It never happened."
 
Re: DO I support racism?

I don't believe that poll. What's the detail on when it was taken, how it was taken, where it was taken, how they obtained answers, etc., etc. I don't believe it.

Edit:

Did they take that poll similar to the way they took the poll on whether or not Obama would go to heaven in case of a rapture?

Here's the poll...and here's how the specific question was asked:

Do you think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal?

Feel free to show how that - or the other questions on the poll - are wrongly skewed.

And btw...I grew up in MS, have gone back there many times - most recently three months ago - and while there has been some improvement from the days of my youth, the racism is still strongly there...if you know what to look for. Being a former racist, I certainly do know what to look for.
 
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You cannot buy your own country and your own exemption for laws by buying land - which is your claim.

no its not, my claim is i am able to do with my property as i will, as long as i do not violate rights of people or threaten the health and safety of the public.....for government to act on me, that is what i would have to do.

because without violations of rights, or threatening the public..there is no victim.....so then who is the government acting for?
 
Re: DO I support racism?

We know you are a racist, you make it obvious every 3rd or 4th post.

So do not even try to go there.

Um, what?

... How about an example then?
 
Re: DO I support racism?

wrong...HOA is contract law, you agree to that when you buy a home.

when it comes to taxes, the goverment uses the property tax money pay for the privilege government gives you.....fire police. and licensing?

reason why you pay property tax?......because the government say you do not own the ground under whats on top.....people cannot obtain Allodial title no longer.

it is unlawful to confiscate property , to hand it over to another citizen or group......government can only take property for the good of every citizen.

Are you really so naive? "For the good of every citizen"...and who decides what that is? CEO Joe of MegaCorp does...and he convinces the local government that it's necessary "for the good of every citizen" to take your property. After they give you what they feel is 'proper compensation', of course.
 
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because without violations of rights, or threatening the public..there is no victim.....so then who is the government acting for?

Racism in public business is threatening the public. It is aggressive action against a group of people. It creates alienation and second class citizens. You have no right to do that to our market and society. Your right to racism is trumped by others' rights.
 
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If the courts rules that a Bus company must accomodate all, then that is an idividual. The bus company has rights. And those rights can be denied, altered and conficated by due process. The bus company, as an individual with the same rights as us all, has to adhere to the laws just as we do.



Kelo v. City of New London. The court allowed government more flexibility on how the property can be used.



there is no clause 17 of sec 8, Article I.

Show me what you mean...

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8
Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress<<Back | Table of Contents | Next>>
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

this states the federal government only has legislative authority in d.c or in places where the legislature, has obtained consent from the state to build a federal buildings and give them federal authority over it.....

since government has to get consent, this shows the legislature does not have authority to act at will.

as i have stated many times, the congress has no authority in the lifes liberty and property of the people
 
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Re: DO I support racism?

Racism in public business is threatening the public. It is aggressive action against a group of people. It creates alienation and second class citizens. You have no right to do that to our market and society. Your right to racism is trumped by others' rights.

since the patron, is approaching me for service,. ...how am i posing a threat?

as stated before what right does a person have to exercise on my property......none
 
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since the patron, is approaching me for service,. ...how am i posing a threat?

You're threatening him by creating an environment in which he is unjustly discriminated against. You're trying to make him a second class citizen.

It's an attack on him, the free market and society itself.
 
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Are you really so naive? "For the good of every citizen"...and who decides what that is? CEO Joe of MegaCorp does...and he convinces the local government that it's necessary "for the good of every citizen" to take your property. After they give you what they feel is 'proper compensation', of course.

well sorry, but i go by what the founders say by reading them.

property confiscated must be for the good of all.

to take from one and give to another is unlawful
 
Re: DO I support racism?

no its not, my claim is i am able to do with my property as i will, as long as i do not violate rights of people or threaten the health and safety of the public.....for government to act on me, that is what i would have to do.

because without violations of rights, or threatening the public..there is no victim.....so then who is the government acting for?

Those that were victims before the government stepped in and acted.
 
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