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DO I support racism?[W:433]

Do I support racism?

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Glen Contrarian said:
Just thought you'd like to know - you have NO real 'right' to property in America. If you don't pay your HOA fees, the HOA can put a lien on your property. If you don't pay your taxes, the government will take your property. If the city, county, state, or federal government decides they need to take your property for whatever reason, guess what they will do? If Corporation X convinces that they need to take your property to put up a mall...guess what the city you live in will do? If Corporation X decides they need to take your property in order to lay a major pipeline or some such, same thing. Oh, you'll be "justly compensated"...but one way or another, they'll take your property.

In other words, even if your property is all paid off...you still pay rent in the form of taxes. If you've got some kind of homestead exemption that says you don't pay taxes, if the government (or some mega-corporation) wants your property, they will take it one way or another.

So a better way to look at your property is not as "your property"...but as your investment...because that property is only yours as long as the government (or mega-corporation) allows you to keep it.
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Pure property ownership is a myth. Rather, it is a question of degrees you have a right to use the property ranging from none to quite a bit. But no one entirely owns their land and, ultimately, it is the country it is in that "owns" it.

The only "pure" ownership of land would be on a boat in International waters, and even that isn't absolute anymore with International laws.
 
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sangha said:
Ownership of land is based on theft. It always has been
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Ownership of land can not be founded on theft, as that would imply there was once a time when it wasn't stolen but acquired absent of theft. The only possible way ownership of land could have started is if it was acquired through means absent of theft, but instead by the labor of individuals putting their labor towards land.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
pleading an emotional case, does not work....its rights , we are discussing
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That is what you want people to think. A person arguing for legalizing pedophilia also will claim that it is only a topic about "rights" and pedophilia itself irrelevant.

If this were about property rights you could point to messages you have incessantly railing against zoning laws and building codes. You don't, because to you it is entirely about race.

Everyone knows what the topic it is. It is you and other white men advocating legalizing economic racial discrimination. THAT is exactly what the topic is, not "property rights."
 
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sangha said:
Your quotes clearly show that you can be deprived of your property.
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the 5th amendment was written to prohibit the federal government from taking property, without due process....

since i have not violated anyone's rights, or threaten the public saftey of health, i have done no wrong.

the 14th was written for state governments.....from taking property, without due process....

since i have not violated anyone's rights, or threaten the public saftey of health, i have done no wrong.

you can lose rights.... if you violate the right of another or endanger the public......discrimination does neither.
 
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joko104 said:
That is what you want people to think. A person arguing for legalizing pedophilia also will claim that it is only a topic about "rights" and pedophilia itself irrelevant.

If this were about property rights you could point to messages you have incessantly railing against zoning laws and building codes. You don't, because to you it is entirely about race.

Everyone knows what the topic it is. It is you and other white men advocating legalizing economic racial discrimination. THAT is exactly what the topic is, not "property rights."
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wow, you all over the place today
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Would you agree that Mississippi is strongly in the Republican camp? Of course it is. Now read this, from a poll in April of 2011...which is not thirty years ago, but only THREE years ago:

When usual Republican primary voters in the state of Mississippi were asked if they think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal, a whopping 46 percent said it should be illegal, compared to 40 percent who think it should be legal. The remaining 14 percent were unsure.

Mind you, the 46% that thought interracial marriage should be illegal were the ones who were WILLING to admit it. I don't know where you're from, but if you think that the Deep South has gotten over its racist past, then you have a great deal to learn.
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I don't believe that poll. What's the detail on when it was taken, how it was taken, where it was taken, how they obtained answers, etc., etc. I don't believe it.

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Did they take that poll similar to the way they took the poll on whether or not Obama would go to heaven in case of a rapture?
 
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ernst barkmann said:
wow, you all over the place today
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I wonder why two people so far has compared this topic to raping children? Their understanding of property must be worse than I thought. :/
 
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Personally, I have no problem if a place of business decided to stop serving people of a certain race.

However, I would also make sure to never take my business to them, and would do all I could to make sure others know of their belief, and to make sure they never get any kind of Government money through contracts or business.

Yes, everybody has the Constitutional right to be a flaming moron, and I have the same right to shun and ridicule that individual for being a douchebag.
 
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Henrin said:
I wonder why two people so far has compared this topic to raping children? Their understanding of property must be worse than I thought. :/
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Yeah, it's not like the topic is opposing objective evil and harm, right? Racism isn't bad, it's just property rights!

:roll:
 
sangha said:
Because you keep saying the same things ("I think we should because I think we should") instead of doing what one is supposed to do on a discussion board (ie "discuss")



No, we're not done.
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I have told you why I don't like the government regulating it. The government shouldn't have that power, and I think that consumers would be a better way to regulate it. Now unless you have something different to add than the same **** we keep saying, move along. But if you have something to actually discuss I am more than ready and willing.
 
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I must say I get a kick out of people saying property rights aren't pure and then listing property right violations like the government taking peoples property when they fail to pay property taxes. :lamo
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Just thought you'd like to know - you have NO real 'right' to property in America. If you don't pay your HOA fees, the HOA can put a lien on your property. If you don't pay your taxes, the government will take your property. If the city, county, state, or federal government decides they need to take your property for whatever reason, guess what they will do? If Corporation X convinces that they need to take your property to put up a mall...guess what the city you live in will do? If Corporation X decides they need to take your property in order to lay a major pipeline or some such, same thing. Oh, you'll be "justly compensated"...but one way or another, they'll take your property.

In other words, even if your property is all paid off...you still pay rent in the form of taxes. If you've got some kind of homestead exemption that says you don't pay taxes, if the government (or some mega-corporation) wants your property, they will take it one way or another.

So a better way to look at your property is not as "your property"...but as your investment...because that property is only yours as long as the government (or mega-corporation) allows you to keep it.
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wrong...HOA is contract law, you agree to that when you buy a home.

when it comes to taxes, the goverment uses the property tax money pay for the privilege government gives you.....fire police. and licensing?

reason why you pay property tax?......because the government say you do not own the ground under whats on top.....people cannot obtain Allodial title no longer.

it is unlawful to confiscate property , to hand it over to another citizen or group......government can only take property for the good of every citizen.
 
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Oozlefinch said:
Personally, I have no problem if a place of business decided to stop serving people of a certain race.

However, I would also make sure to never take my business to them, and would do all I could to make sure others know of their belief, and to make sure they never get any kind of Government money through contracts or business.

Yes, everybody has the Constitutional right to be a flaming moron, and I have the same right to shun and ridicule that individual for being a douchebag.
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You're not considering the societal implications and the goverment's mandate to protect the rights of everyone and not just racist assholes.

The right to be a racist in public business is trumped by the rights of others.
 
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ecofarm said:
The right to be a racist in public business is trumped by the rights of others.
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Which you still haven't figure out what those rights are.
 
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Henrin said:
Which you still haven't figure out what those rights are.
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Like you would care if I explained this to you for the 10th time. You're stuck in your belief that property rights are absolute. It's childish and lame, but it's your position and no amount of reason can pull you from the black hole of absolutism.
 
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ecofarm said:
Like you would care if I explained this to you for the 10th time. You're stuck in your belief that property rights are absolute. It's childish and lame, but it's your position and no amount of reason can pull you from the black hole of absolutism.
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The thing you have told me is three things over and over again that are not rights. Remember that time when you argued that the free market was a right? That was funny.
 
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So much stupid kneejerk racebaiting in this thread.

No one here advocating for respecting property rights has given any indication they think it is appropriate to treat people differently on the basis of race.

It is impossible for me to agree with everything everyone says, but I will defend their freedom of expression regardless. Likewise, it is impossible for me to agree with every business owner's policies and practices...

Of course, the racebaiters DO support treating folks differently on the basis of race.
 
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ecofarm said:
You're not considering the societal implications and the goverment's mandate to protect the rights of everyone and not just racist assholes.

The right to be a racist in public business is trumped by the rights of others.
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rights of others?, ...name a right for me you can exercise on my property
 
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JayDubya said:
No one here advocating for respecting property rights has given any indication they think it is appropriate to treat people differently on the basis of race.
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False.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
rights of others?, ...name a right for me you can exercise on my property
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If your property is a public business, I have plenty of rights on your property.
 
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ecofarm said:
If your property is a public business, I have plenty of rights on your property.
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name a right for me that you can exercise on my property, ..since you say you have plenty...it should not be hard for you to name 1
 
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ernst barkmann said:
name a right for me that you can exercise on my property, ..since you say you have plenty...it should not be hard for you to name 1
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The right to life.
 
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