Do conservatives actually want healing and unity in the US?

[Yes_Minister]

I have heard conservatives complain that Biden or liberals or the Left are not doing enough to promote healing and unity in the US.

But what have they done to promote healing or unity? Since the early 90s conservatives are demonizing the other side and for the past 4 years, they talked about owning libs and liberal tears.

When American Politics Turned Toxic (Published 2020)

Julian E. Zelizer’s “Burning Down the House” sees Newt Gingrich’s rise in Congress as a turning point in political history.

www.nytimes.com

Governing by Owning the Libs

When a president’s entire motivation is to antagonize the people who didn’t vote for him.

slate.com

These Conservatives Have a Laser Focus: ‘Owning the Libs’ (Published 2020)

On The Federalist and in Fox News appearances, some of President Trump’s supporters don’t really defend him. They attack the critics.

www.nytimes.com

And you have stuff like the ''Stop the Steal'' movement that led to a siege of the Capitol and many right-wingers come up with nonsense conspiracy theories saying that these rioters are Antifa dressed up as Trump supporters, so they do not want to take ownership of anything, they do not want to apply personal responsibility to themselves.

It seems like they have no interest in healing or unity and if they did, they seem unwilling to put any sort of work or effort towards that. Maybe they should be honest and admit that's not what they want and anyone who wants to say I am wrong, fine, tell me what conservatives would actually be willing to do in that regard? Because conservatives almost always seem to think that only liberals or the left should put in the work, that it's their job, and conservatives can just continue to ''own the libs'' or something.

 

[Mr Person]

Trumpism more or less completely against conservative ideals, but on the other hand, words do not seem to have definitions these days; only connotation and sense.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Trumpism more or less completely against conservative ideals, but on the other hand, words do not seem to have definitions these days; only connotation and sense.

I have a more cynical view than that, that Trumpism is the logical outcome of everything the conservative movement has done since 1964. I do not think you have healing or unity with the party Newt Gingrich and Lee Atwater built.

 

[Casper]

I think there is a far larger number of Conservatives than we know that want all this to simply Stop than most of us know. Many that were sitting on the fence thinking they need to support their Party got a rude awakening on Jan 6. I listened when a couple walking away from the insanity displayed by the far right when they said, We Did Not Sign Up For This and left as did Many other Conservatives. They are having their Come To Jesus Meeting, meaning they are faced with the stark reality of what trump and the cult have have reduced them to supporting and they were disgusted.
I will remind everyone that there has been more than one Conservative come on here and publicly say they were totally against what just happened and were strong enough to throw off the trump and far right mantra, I applaud all of those that have and may eventually will.
Look, I am a center left leaning American, that has Never belonged to either Party, and my only allegiance is with the Nation, and yes we WON, now we have to be good winners, and for those that, while still the other side, those that are not the cult, should be respected as fellow AMERICANS. We cannot really remain a Nation without them.
My 2 cents for what it is worth.....

 

[Antiwar]

The mood switch is palpable.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I have heard conservatives complain that Biden or liberals or the Left are not doing enough to promote healing and unity in the US.

But what have they done to promote healing or unity? Since the early 90s conservatives are demonizing the other side and for the past 4 years, they talked about owning libs and liberal tears.

When American Politics Turned Toxic (Published 2020)

Julian E. Zelizer’s “Burning Down the House” sees Newt Gingrich’s rise in Congress as a turning point in political history.

www.nytimes.com

Governing by Owning the Libs

When a president’s entire motivation is to antagonize the people who didn’t vote for him.

slate.com

These Conservatives Have a Laser Focus: ‘Owning the Libs’ (Published 2020)

On The Federalist and in Fox News appearances, some of President Trump’s supporters don’t really defend him. They attack the critics.

www.nytimes.com

And you have stuff like the ''Stop the Steal'' movement that led to a siege of the Capitol and many right-wingers come up with nonsense conspiracy theories saying that these rioters are Antifa dressed up as Trump supporters, so they do not want to take ownership of anything, they do not want to apply personal responsibility to themselves.

It seems like they have no interest in healing or unity and if they did, they seem unwilling to put any sort of work or effort towards that. Maybe they should be honest and admit that's not what they want and anyone who wants to say I am wrong, fine, tell me what conservatives would actually be willing to do in that regard? Because conservatives almost always seem to think that only liberals or the left should put in the work, that it's their job, and conservatives can just continue to ''own the libs'' or something.

Have you heard Bidens latest speeches. No healing, no softening the rhetoric, no turning down the angst between the parties. He pretty much just preached racism, white privelege and hate. He defended BLM and the riots of the summer as being ok. Biden's a fool and a liar. He's not going to be everyones President, he doesn't have it in him and he showed that the past couple of days.

 

[X Factor]

When I see people vilified for attempting to view something from different perspectives and labeled as “bothsiderists” what hope is there really for unity?

 

[IAA12]

Conservatives view the left as evil communists that are out to destroy Aemrica. The left views conservatives as evil fascists who are out to destroy America. Both sides have convinced themselves that the other side is pure evil, and their lives depend on the outcome of elections. Vote like your life depends on it, we hear that often. So how do you reconcile with evil?

I think we must first learn to once again accept one another, and accept that we're all Americans and we all want what's best for the country. Divisive rhetoric must stop, demonizing the other side must stop. Then there can be healing.

 

[lemmiwinx]

This power switch could be worse than Sherman's march to the sea. You haven't seen anything yet compared to how people born south of the Mason Dixon line are going to be treated.

 

[Mycroft]

Unity needs to start with the media. Let them cast the first olive branch.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I have a more cynical view than that, that Trumpism is the logical outcome of everything the conservative movement has done since 1964. I do not think you have healing or unity with the party Newt Gingrich and Lee Atwater built.

Then you can't cite 1964.
Try 1994, that is the Newt Gingrich era.

 

[Nickyjo]

Have you heard Bidens latest speeches. No healing, no softening the rhetoric, no turning down the angst between the parties. He pretty much just preached racism, white privelege and hate. He defended BLM and the riots of the summer as being ok. Biden's a fool and a liar. He's not going to be everyones President, he doesn't have it in him and he showed that the past couple of days.

You have some links? I see him as talking about unity on several occasions. I'd be willing to bet he stresses that unity theme in his inaugural address. But!... Omigod!... How could I miss it? You might be speaking of the guy whom he defeated, the one who called migrants rapists, blacks killers of whites, bragged about grabbing women's ******s, lied about refugees, suggested banning all Muslims, called immigrants poisonous snakes... Perhaps an easy mistake for you to make in these confused times. I suggest you get out more.

"Now is the time to turn the page, to unite, to heal." Dec. 14
"Let this grim era of demonization begin to end -- here and now." First speech as President-elect Nov. 8
"We're all in this together." Nov. 24

Just to be clear, that was Biden saying the above.

 

[Mongidig]

The more brown this country becomes the more disenfranchised the Conservatives will become. The Trump deplorable‘s will continue to share the alternate reality of Trump. There will be no healing coming from the right.

 

[IAA12]

The more brown this country becomes the more disenfranchised the Conservatives will become. The Trump deplorable‘s will continue to share the alternate reality of Trump. There will be no healing coming from the right.

I don't think so. I think the Conservative movement has a bright future, if they head in the right direction NOW. People vote on their values, not the color of their skin. And conservative values are shared by all - white, brown, black or otherwise.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Have you heard Bidens latest speeches. No healing, no softening the rhetoric, no turning down the angst between the parties. He pretty much just preached racism, white privelege and hate. He defended BLM and the riots of the summer as being ok. Biden's a fool and a liar. He's not going to be everyones President, he doesn't have it in him and he showed that the past couple of days.

This thread is not about Biden, its about conservatives. This deflection proves my point, conservatives do not care about healing or unity. You just want to complain about Biden, you have no interesting in any effort towards healing or unity.

The conservative version of healing and unity is totally one sided, you have no desire to achieve it.

 

[calamity]

I have heard conservatives complain that Biden or liberals or the Left are not doing enough to promote healing and unity in the US.

But what have they done to promote healing or unity? Since the early 90s conservatives are demonizing the other side and for the past 4 years, they talked about owning libs and liberal tears.

When American Politics Turned Toxic (Published 2020)

Julian E. Zelizer’s “Burning Down the House” sees Newt Gingrich’s rise in Congress as a turning point in political history.

www.nytimes.com

Governing by Owning the Libs

When a president’s entire motivation is to antagonize the people who didn’t vote for him.

slate.com

These Conservatives Have a Laser Focus: ‘Owning the Libs’ (Published 2020)

On The Federalist and in Fox News appearances, some of President Trump’s supporters don’t really defend him. They attack the critics.

www.nytimes.com

And you have stuff like the ''Stop the Steal'' movement that led to a siege of the Capitol and many right-wingers come up with nonsense conspiracy theories saying that these rioters are Antifa dressed up as Trump supporters, so they do not want to take ownership of anything, they do not want to apply personal responsibility to themselves.

It seems like they have no interest in healing or unity and if they did, they seem unwilling to put any sort of work or effort towards that. Maybe they should be honest and admit that's not what they want and anyone who wants to say I am wrong, fine, tell me what conservatives would actually be willing to do in that regard? Because conservatives almost always seem to think that only liberals or the left should put in the work, that it's their job, and conservatives can just continue to ''own the libs'' or something.

Of course not. We saw that the other day.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Then you can't cite 1964.
Try 1994, that is the Newt Gingrich era.

Gingrich is just outgrowth of the Barry Goldwater/Lee Atwater strategy. Regardless Trump is a sympthon, not the disease.

 

[Yes_Minister]

When I see people vilified for attempting to view something from different perspectives and labeled as “bothsiderists” what hope is there really for unity?

What do you suggest be done, humoring conspiracy theories about election fraud you guys have no evidence for that led to the siege of the Capitol? It seems like conservative unity and healing involves demanding conspiracy theories with no evidence behind them be treated as facts.

 

[X Factor]

What you suggest be done, humoring conspiracy theories about election fraud you guys have no evidence for that led to the siege of the Capitol? It seems like conservative unity and healing involves demanding conspiracy theories with no evidence behind them be treated as facts.

No, the ones that behave just like conspiracy theorists have been the Trump haters which immediately believe every unsubstantiated anti Trump rumor out there. That’s what what CTers, do, believe every CT out there even if they are unrelated. Like it or not, there is weirdness associated with this election, there are sworn affidavits from whistleblowers and, frankly, Dems only ever seek to make it easier to cheat, not harder. Even so. I did not support “overturning” the election. For me to support that, the evidence would have to be irrefutable, overwhelming and the majority of Americans would need to be behind it.

 

[noonereal]

I have heard conservatives complain that Biden or liberals or the Left are not doing enough to promote healing and unity in the US.

But what have they done to promote healing or unity? Since the early 90s conservatives are demonizing the other side and for the past 4 years, they talked about owning libs and liberal tears.

When American Politics Turned Toxic (Published 2020)

Julian E. Zelizer’s “Burning Down the House” sees Newt Gingrich’s rise in Congress as a turning point in political history.

www.nytimes.com

Governing by Owning the Libs

When a president’s entire motivation is to antagonize the people who didn’t vote for him.

slate.com

These Conservatives Have a Laser Focus: ‘Owning the Libs’ (Published 2020)

On The Federalist and in Fox News appearances, some of President Trump’s supporters don’t really defend him. They attack the critics.

www.nytimes.com

And you have stuff like the ''Stop the Steal'' movement that led to a siege of the Capitol and many right-wingers come up with nonsense conspiracy theories saying that these rioters are Antifa dressed up as Trump supporters, so they do not want to take ownership of anything, they do not want to apply personal responsibility to themselves.

It seems like they have no interest in healing or unity and if they did, they seem unwilling to put any sort of work or effort towards that. Maybe they should be honest and admit that's not what they want and anyone who wants to say I am wrong, fine, tell me what conservatives would actually be willing to do in that regard? Because conservatives almost always seem to think that only liberals or the left should put in the work, that it's their job, and conservatives can just continue to ''own the libs'' or something.

why do people call Trumpists, conservatives?

it is so misleading

 

[noonereal]

Gingrich is just outgrowth of the Barry Goldwater/Lee Atwater strategy. Regardless Trump is a sympthon, not the disease.

No, you have it backward.

Trump is the full blown disease.

 

[Bullseye]

Yes, I thinking “easing up” and discussing the issues rationally and calmly would be great. I seriously doubt that’s going to happen, however.

 

[Bullseye]

I have heard conservatives complain that Biden or liberals or the Left are not doing enough to promote healing and unity in the US.

But what have they done to promote healing or unity? Since the early 90s conservatives are demonizing the other side and for the past 4 years, they talked about owning libs and liberal tears.

When American Politics Turned Toxic (Published 2020)

Julian E. Zelizer’s “Burning Down the House” sees Newt Gingrich’s rise in Congress as a turning point in political history.

www.nytimes.com

Governing by Owning the Libs

When a president’s entire motivation is to antagonize the people who didn’t vote for him.

slate.com

These Conservatives Have a Laser Focus: ‘Owning the Libs’ (Published 2020)

On The Federalist and in Fox News appearances, some of President Trump’s supporters don’t really defend him. They attack the critics.

www.nytimes.com

And you have stuff like the ''Stop the Steal'' movement that led to a siege of the Capitol and many right-wingers come up with nonsense conspiracy theories saying that these rioters are Antifa dressed up as Trump supporters, so they do not want to take ownership of anything, they do not want to apply personal responsibility to themselves.

It seems like they have no interest in healing or unity and if they did, they seem unwilling to put any sort of work or effort towards that. Maybe they should be honest and admit that's not what they want and anyone who wants to say I am wrong, fine, tell me what conservatives would actually be willing to do in that regard? Because conservatives almost always seem to think that only liberals or the left should put in the work, that it's their job, and conservatives can just continue to ''own the libs'' or something.

And you seriously think a post with this tone is going to do anything?

 

[Yes_Minister]

No, the ones that behave just like conspiracy theorists have been the Trump haters which immediately believe every unsubstantiated anti Trump rumor out there. That’s what what CTers, do, believe every CT out there even if they are unrelated. Like it or not, there is weirdness associated with this election, there are sworn affidavits from whistleblowers and, frankly, Dems only ever seek to make it easier to cheat, not harder. Even so. I did not support “overturning” the election. For me to support that, the evidence would have to be irrefutable, overwhelming and the majority of Americans would need to be behind it.

''Dems only ever seek to make it easier to cheat, not harder'' that statement is pretty good evidence that you have no desire to put in any sort of work towards unity or healing, you cannot have unity or healing with people you think are habitual cheaters. Just be honest, healing and unity is something you have no interest in.

 

[Yes_Minister]

And you seriously think a post with this tone is going to do anything?

I am just trying to prove my thesis, that many conservatives have no real desire for actual unity and healing and the work that will entail. I think Biden is either foolish, naive, or wants to focus on empty platitudes of ''bi-partisanship'' if he is saying that he can promote healing or unity with this current conservative movement.