This would be more convincing if you hadn’t immediately had a problem with my comment that I think was a fair one. I truly don’t care what you think of pro life parents. It doesn’t surprise me. I happen to know for a fact that there are good ones.
there is no “they” until a living baby is born.
No one claimed that.
It would work by not arresting those that sell sex but arresting the men attempting to buy it. I believe that is what they do in many European countries now.
I was actually trying to defend pro choicers. Good grief, what a mistake that’s been.
Stop lying. The posts are still there. I said your position on this topic doesn’t dictate whether you’re a good parent or not and you flat ****ing disagreed with me and said it was, in fact, a good indicator.
So it's not a stretch to conclude impacts on parenting, even if not intentional."
I get exactly why you disagreed with my comment.Here it is again:
"Solid indication tho.There's even some confirmation in the data showing that crime rates went down after RvW was decided. But it is well known that socio-economically challenged families are at higher risk of juvenile delinquency, abuse, and criminal development. And ~75% of all abortions are for financial reasons.
Because the struggle to parent when the mother/couple were aware of the risks and were denied the opportunity (pre-Roe) led to more difficult parenting, more neglect, more difficulties parenting.
So it is a good indicator of a higher risk in poor parenting if pro-life restrictions prevail.
I made a comment that your beliefs on abortion do not dictate whether you’re a good parent or not so if you disagree with that, your belief is that someone’s belief on abortion does dictate whether they’re a good parent or not. Personally I think that’s absolutely ridiculous but not particularly surprising. Now, whether self righteous outrage is warranted would largely depend on how much someone actually cares about your own “self righteous” judgment and that would be up to each individual.
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The general idea in Europe is that you are trying to protect sex workers. Trafficking and pimping exists and that is what is being targeted in our laws; as well as to get sex workers off the street.
We have seen a rise in more women selling sex from the safety of a communal rented flat (nobody will live there - it's just used for sex) or some hotels specialise in charging for a room by the hour. Prostitutes still get arrested if the police can prove that more than one person is selling sex from the property though.
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I will ask, did you mean for the MMR one to be about the adult refusing for them or the adult refusing for a child? I took it as for them, their own body, since that was the theme that I took from the thread, despite the autism reference, but it does seem like many others took it as refusing for their child.I'm honestly surprised at how libertarian the poll results are, especially for the ones that I thought would be more controversial. It seems a majority of respondents support assisted suicide even without a terminal illness, and a near-majority support letting people use meth/fentanyl...views that seem genuinely extreme and shocking to me. I also thought buying sex and paid surrogacy would be a lot more controversial, but I'm in the very small minority there. I realize that DP isn't the general electorate, but it's a good reminder to me that there's a whole world of bodily-autonomy views that are well to the left of where I'm at.
The four poll options that I support are the ones where there's the most consensus, at least on this forum: Adults should be allowed to have abortions, sell sex, use marijuana, and get sex change surgeries.
The general idea in Europe is that you are trying to protect sex workers. Trafficking and pimping exists and that is what is being targeted in our laws; as well as to get sex workers off the street.
We have seen a rise in more women selling sex from the safety of a communal rented flat (nobody will live there - it's just used for sex) or some hotels specialise in charging for a room by the hour. Prostitutes still get arrested if the police can prove that more than one person is selling sex from the property though.
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Good point. It's how we ended up with Trumpism, people with mental health problems refusing to get help.
I get that. It just seems to me that targeting pimps and traffickers is the way to go, because that's where a lot of the danger and exploitation lies for the women (or male prostitutes). It seems unfair to me to target people buying something that is legally sold.
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