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Maybe the UK won it by the skin of its teeth. But not the US. Once we made the A-bomb, everything else after that was academic.Originally Posted by GarzaUK
True. But what if America needed Britain and Russia. America couldn't have took on the full strength of the Nazi war machine and Japan at the same time. WW2 was a collective effort, and thank god, coz we won it by only the skin of our teeth.
DeeJayH said:I would agree with this.
We should have been in it earlier, but with our isolationism and all....
and while every American is proud of the role we played in WW II, it most definitely was not solely an American Victory. We played an integral role, but i wonder if our presence would have been so important if we were in it from the get go.
But i would like to say that when americans brag about our Role in WW II, most will agree that we were not the sole reason for winning
Billo_Really said:Maybe the UK won it by the skin of its teeth. But not the US. Once we made the A-bomb, everything else after that was academic.
I do not know how true this is, the world not liking that we support Isreal...ThePhoenix said:I know this question was directed at Deegan but I would like to answer as well,
One reason that comes to mind is we support and help defend Israel and the world does not like this so they rebel against the U.S.
robin said:Hitler socialist ? Hitler elected ?
Do you also think the world is flat ?
National socialism was different to socialism.
He was not elected......... "In November 1932 elections the Nazis again failed to get a majority of seats in the Reichstag. Their share of the vote fell – from 230 seats to only 196. Hitler contemplated suicide. But then he was rescued by Hindenburg.
Franz von Papen (a friend of Hindenburg) was Chancellor, but he could not get enough support in the Reichstag. Hindenburg and von Papen were having to govern by emergency decree under Article 48 of the Constitution. They offered Hitler the post of vice-Chancellor if he promised to support them.
Hitler refused – he demanded to be made Chancellor. So Von Papen and Hindenburg took a risk. On 30 January 1933 Hindenburg made Hitler Chancellor. He thought he could control Hitler – how wrong he was.
In the end, Hitler did not TAKE power at all – he was given it."
The lesser of two evils according to you is the one who's thugs murdered 8,000 & tortured many more, compared to the elected man that kills no one. You are completely stark raving mad. You're nuttier than a bag of walnuts.
ludahai said:Perhaps, perhaps not. Even former PM Thatcher admits that the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor was the major turning point of the war.
Billo_Really said:Maybe the UK won it by the skin of its teeth. But not the US. Once we made the A-bomb, everything else after that was academic.
DeeJayH said:I would agree with this.
We should have been in it earlier, but with our isolationism and all....
and while every American is proud of the role we played in WW II, it most definitely was not solely an American Victory. We played an integral role, but i wonder if our presence would have been so important if we were in it from the get go.
But i would like to say that when americans brag about our Role in WW II, most will agree that we were not the sole reason for winning
GarzaUK said:The turning point in the Pacific theatre was the Battle of Midway.
The turning point in the European theatre was the Battle of Stalingrad.
It was fate that brought down Hitler, not military supremcy.
ludahai said:PM Thatcher disagrees with you.
On the battlefield, you are right. Those were the PHYSICAL TURNING points. However, once the US was committed to marshalling all of its resources to winning the war, the outcome was a foregone conclusion. It WAS the surpremacy of US production that won the war and no amount of revisionism will change that.
\GarzaUK said:You are telling me that on December of 1941, WW2 was a forgone conclusion. Is that what you are telling me??
So If you had lost the battle of Midway, you would have still won the war. If Russia had surrendered at Stalindgrad, you would have still won the war? The full force of greatest efficient armies the world has ever seen - the Nazis lined up on the French coast, battle hardened and battle experienced troops waiting for an allied invasion.
And yet with what really happened of D-Day we almost mucked it up. Only the Canadians got their traget objectives. American paratroopers were scattered everywhere. And we were facing less than half of the Nazi army.
The outcome of WW2 was anything but a forgone conclusion on Dec 1941.
Damn right I disagree with the old bat! :mrgreen:
GySgt said:You people don't remember the awakening of the sleeping giant? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
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Trajan Octavian Titus said:Umm it was the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor. :doh
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Umm it was the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor. :doh
Middleground said:LOL.
No it's gotta be the Germans. After all, GySgt is perfect and knows everything. So, in conclusion, the Germans bomber Pearl Harbour because sarge said so. :mrgreen:
GySgt said:I believe the proof is in the picture. You ever see "Animal House?" Wow, try to keep up.
Good thing then I'm not trying to be likable here.GarzaUK said:Arrogance is never a likeable trait.
Then tell me where you live and I'll come up with a more applicable insult. Hey, I'm from NY and live in Tampa. If you can't get milage out of that go read some of my smack lectures. Or are you one of those "this place should be serious" guys?Why do you assume I live in a backwater?
But were the ones, and still the only ones, to have ever used a WMD (of the nuclear variety) in combat. And we would have dropped more if it wasn't for VE and VJ days.Originally posted by GarzaUK:
How can the UK win by the skin of its teeth and not America? We were allies. FYI British scientists helped the US build the bomb.
GySgt said:I believe the proof is in the picture. Wow, you're just so desperate to recover from juvinile antics that you'll jump at anything won't you?
GarzaUK said:You are telling me that on December of 1941, WW2 was a forgone conclusion. Is that what you are telling me??
So If you had lost the battle of Midway, you would have still won the war.
If Russia had surrendered at Stalindgrad, you would have still won the war? The full force of greatest efficient armies the world has ever seen - the Nazis lined up on the French coast, battle hardened and battle experienced troops waiting for an allied invasion.
And yet with what really happened of D-Day we almost mucked it up. Only the Canadians got their traget objectives. American paratroopers were scattered everywhere. And we were facing less than half of the Nazi army.
The outcome of WW2 was anything but a forgone conclusion on Dec 1941.
Damn right I disagree with the old bat! :mrgreen:
Dislike of America increases Worldwide
Mickyjaystoned said:Doesn't surprise me really, i used to just think it was the American politicians that were ignorant white supremecist neo conservative terrorists and not worthy of the air we breath, i have however decided to turn that into a blatant dislike of everything American, the shitty sitcoms that i get in the UK everyday. ER ****, Friends ****!, Medium ****, The West Wing ****, The OC ****, One tree Hill ****, the crappy hollywood movies that infest the cinemas of my country with their big explosions and guns, pyrotechnic displays and sheer unimagination, the outragously crappy music that travels through the mainstream into Britain, gawd, i dunno what they spray the fields with over there but Jessica Simpson???? Please kill this whore of satan! and Britney MKUltra Spears, encouraging the next generations of sluts to hit me baby one more time, oh and is there any more blatant brainwashing than the gansta rap scene imported worldwide from America, shoot niggaz hustle crack and smack bitches, if you want 50's riches, man 50 cent what an uniteresting heathen, why don't these americans learn to speak before they make music for the kids in my country!
If thats all the land of the free has to offer then give me oppression any day of the week!
The reason Europe is approved of worldwide IMO is the sheer diversity of culture it incorporates, Europe truly is the land of the free, a place where anyone may feel free to go about their business without worrying about the apocolyptic fantasies of a megalomaniac, warmongering cretin in charge.
But Britain, hmm britain and America being such close allies would lead me to conclude that Europe is more important to the world without the inclusion of Britain all the while Tony Blairs government's foreign policy is dictated by the states, i would like to see Britain sever all ties with the United Masonic States and along with the rest of Europe set up a strong base of opposition to American Globalisation, offer the world a more understanding and ethnically diverse superpower, one which will not stand for the American funded genocide we have seen ever since the outcome of world war two, a group of countries united in their morals and interests for the people of europe, instead of the businesses of America and Britain, but until the Anglo-American sphere is punctured i fear Europe will just become more and more useless without the inclusion of a pro european Britain.
Mickyjaystoned said::doh that coming from the guy who's country brought us such luminary figures as George W Bush, Jay Leno, Justin Timberlake and Carrot Top.
Yes Carrot Top.
That old american tradition of being a twat and having people laugh at you.
Thankyou America for being so utterly ridiculous!
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