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Did the Tea Party become MAGA?

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iamwhatiseem said:
Yes... exactly like they say MAGA.
Woke is an old term that the right morphed into another meaning. MAGA is also an older term that Trump borrowed, and then the left morphed it into meaning whatever they wanted it to be.

Exactly the same.
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A MAGA is a Trump supporter. If you don’t like what comes with that particular nomenclature, then the problem is on you.

Self-loathing isn’t a great look.
 
Trump started MAGA. the concept of economic nationalism (not Christian/white/whatever) and promoting growth .
Emphasis on middle class growth.
Plus non-entanglements in foreign war.
China is a key leg as well -so called "fair trade"

Now go ahead and bash it, but you cant say you dont understand it, It's straightforward
 
Perotista said:
The Tea Party was founded in 2009 which attained their most strength in 2010. They had 48 house members. In 2011 15 GOP senators formed their own version of a Tea Party caucus. But by 2016 the Tea party was basically dead. Down to 12 house members with 5 senators. The Tea Party faded away.

Since basically the Tea Party ceased to exist around 2016 or a bit after, there’s no way it could have transformed into MAGA. Most of the remaining Tea Party members joined the Freedom Caucus.
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Yes they have taken on the role of the “crazy right wing” in this season’s theater production of “right wing manipulates America for the super rich.”
 
Winston said:
You don’t hear so much about the Tea Party anymore. The main issue they cared about was government spending. There are certainly still plenty of budget hawks around. I don't see the Tea Party as a rallying point as much as I do MAGA related vernacular.

Did the Tea Party naturally evolve into the reactionary movement known as MAGA?
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Of course it did. The evolution is:

ALiberalModerate said:
John Birch Society > Moral Majority > Religious Right > Tea Party > MAGA...

It's all the same crazy bunch, they just update the name.
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Winston said:
You don’t hear so much about the Tea Party anymore. The main issue they cared about was government spending. There are certainly still plenty of budget hawks around. I don't see the Tea Party as a rallying point as much as I do MAGA related vernacular.

Did the Tea Party naturally evolve into the reactionary movement known as MAGA?
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The Tea Party has more in common with “Occupy Wall St” than with MAGA. I’m not talking in ideology, but in honest intent and goodness of spirit. MAGA and Tea Party stated goals are nothing alike and their spirits are nothing alike. MAGA has a meanness to it that hasn’t been seen in a long time. Not since the 1920’s-‘30’s.

The Tea Party started as traditional Conservative ideology: smaller federal government, balanced budgets and not spending more than is coming in.

MAGA is Trump and Trump sets its ideology. What’s spoken may be one thing but what matters is what’s actually set as agenda by a MAGA administration. We actually had one so we know what its true agenda is: temporary minuscule tax cut for the middle class, larger permanent ones for the wealthy, more government spending for corporate welfare, cuts in civil programs, and appointment of pro business federal judge (their real reason for appointment) who are also inclined toward greater 2nd Amendment and pro-life decisions.
 
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Phys251 said:
Of course it did. The evolution is:



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Not so. The original Tea Party, before it was usurped by the Karl Rove-Koch Bro. types was commendable. Whether you agreed with it or not they used a carefree, a bit goofy but kind of spirit, approach to bring a legitimate thinking to the table.

Unfortunately that usurping took place really early in its process. The real Tea Party was rather short lived.
 
Superfly said:
So what should we call MAGAs then? Don’t say Republicans, because the real Republicans might take issue with that.
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Whatever you want to call "them".
Americans would be best.
And what is a "real" Republican? Or for that matter a "real" Democrat?
People who are foolishly holding onto a dead party that exist in name only. Both of them.
They are BOTH, wholly corrupt and do not represent our interest. At all. Or even close.
 
Absentglare said:
Yes they have taken on the role of the “crazy right wing” in this season’s theater production of “right wing manipulates America for the super rich.”
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Say what you will, but most of the tea party members are now out of congress, retired. Here’s what happened to a lot of them.



Rob Bishop, Utah (retired in 2020)

Phil Roe, Tennessee (retired in 2020)

Kenny Marchant, Texas (retired in 2020)

Ted Yoho, Florida (retired in 2020)

Steve King, Iowa (defeated in 2020 primary by Randy Feenstra)

Joe Barton, Texas (retired in 2018)

Diane Black, Tennessee (ran for Governor in 2018, lost in primary)

Ander Crenshaw, Florida (retired in 2016)

Stephen Fincher, Tennessee (retired in 2016)

Marlin Stutzman, Indiana[62] (retired in 2016)

Michele Bachmann, Minnesota (retired in 2014; ran for Republican nomination during 2012 presidential election)

Paul Broun, Georgia (ran for U.S. Senate in 2014, lost in primary)

Bill Cassidy, Louisiana (ran for U.S. Senate in 2014, won in runoff)

Howard Coble, North Carolina

Mike Coffman, Colorado

John Culberson, Texas

Blake Farenthold, Texas (resigned in 2018)

John Fleming, Louisiana (ran for U.S. Senate in 2016, lost in jungle primary)

Phil Gingrey, Georgia (ran for U.S. Senate in 2014, lost in primary)

Louie Gohmert, Texas (ran for Texas Attorney General in 2022, lost in primary)

Vicky Hartzler, Missouri (ran for U.S. Senate in 2022, lost in primary)

Tim Huelskamp, Kansas (lost 2016 Republican primary to Roger Marshall)

Lynn Jenkins, Kansas (retired in 2018)

David McKinley, West Virginia (Lost Renomination)

Gary Miller, California

Randy Neugebauer, Texas (retired in 2016)

Steve Pearce, New Mexico

Ted Poe, Texas (retired in 2018)

Steven Palazzo, (Lost Renomination in 2022)

Dennis A. Ross, Florida (retired)

Pete Sessions, Texas

Lamar S. Smith, Texas (retired in 2018)

Ed Royce, California (retired in 2018)

Tom Price, Georgia (nominated and confirmed in 2017 as Secretary of Health and Human Services)

Mick Mulvaney South Carolina (Director of Office of Management & Budget (OMB), confirmed February 16, 2017.)

Lynn Westmoreland, Georgia (retired in 2016)
 
Perotista said:
Say what you will, but most of the tea party members are now out of congress, retired. Here’s what happened to a lot of them.



Rob Bishop, Utah (retired in 2020)

Phil Roe, Tennessee (retired in 2020)

Kenny Marchant, Texas (retired in 2020)

Ted Yoho, Florida (retired in 2020)

Steve King, Iowa (defeated in 2020 primary by Randy Feenstra)

Joe Barton, Texas (retired in 2018)

Diane Black, Tennessee (ran for Governor in 2018, lost in primary)

Ander Crenshaw, Florida (retired in 2016)

Stephen Fincher, Tennessee (retired in 2016)

Marlin Stutzman, Indiana[62] (retired in 2016)

Michele Bachmann, Minnesota (retired in 2014; ran for Republican nomination during 2012 presidential election)

Paul Broun, Georgia (ran for U.S. Senate in 2014, lost in primary)

Bill Cassidy, Louisiana (ran for U.S. Senate in 2014, won in runoff)

Howard Coble, North Carolina

Mike Coffman, Colorado

John Culberson, Texas

Blake Farenthold, Texas (resigned in 2018)

John Fleming, Louisiana (ran for U.S. Senate in 2016, lost in jungle primary)

Phil Gingrey, Georgia (ran for U.S. Senate in 2014, lost in primary)

Louie Gohmert, Texas (ran for Texas Attorney General in 2022, lost in primary)

Vicky Hartzler, Missouri (ran for U.S. Senate in 2022, lost in primary)

Tim Huelskamp, Kansas (lost 2016 Republican primary to Roger Marshall)

Lynn Jenkins, Kansas (retired in 2018)

David McKinley, West Virginia (Lost Renomination)

Gary Miller, California

Randy Neugebauer, Texas (retired in 2016)

Steve Pearce, New Mexico

Ted Poe, Texas (retired in 2018)

Steven Palazzo, (Lost Renomination in 2022)

Dennis A. Ross, Florida (retired)

Pete Sessions, Texas

Lamar S. Smith, Texas (retired in 2018)

Ed Royce, California (retired in 2018)

Tom Price, Georgia (nominated and confirmed in 2017 as Secretary of Health and Human Services)

Mick Mulvaney South Carolina (Director of Office of Management & Budget (OMB), confirmed February 16, 2017.)

Lynn Westmoreland, Georgia (retired in 2016)
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How does that compare to the natural background rate of Congressional retirements?
 
Superfly said:
What would I call them? Domestic terrorists, maybe? Traitors? Treasonous bastards?
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If what you are saying is you believe Republicans, nearly half the country, are all domestic terrorist.... then bye.
I really have no interest in someone who is so mind ****ed they would even say such garbage.
 

Did the Tea Party become MAGA?​

Considering the large equivalent levels of political hypocrisy and political stupidity between the two movements, with a few other similarities, I could see why one might ask that question.

However, I had to say OTHER in the Poll.

Because, in the end the Tea Party isn't MAGA and MAGA isn't the Tea Party.
 
Winston said:
You don’t hear so much about the Tea Party anymore. The main issue they cared about was government spending. There are certainly still plenty of budget hawks around. I don't see the Tea Party as a rallying point as much as I do MAGA related vernacular.

Did the Tea Party naturally evolve into the reactionary movement known as MAGA?
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I have always assumed as much


Their just as weird and a bit more Nazi than before
 
iamwhatiseem said:
If what you are saying is you believe Republicans, nearly half the country, are all domestic terrorist.... then bye.
I really have no interest in someone who is so mind ****ed they would even say such garbage.
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I said MAGAs. Not Republicans.

If you don’t know the difference, then please do run away.
 
Superfly said:
I said MAGAs. Not Republicans.

If you don’t know the difference, then please do run away.
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There is no such thing as MAGA's.
It is a made up term to describe anyone who is not pro everything the left supports.
I do not support Donald Trump, never did. I have been called MAGA here already, and many times before.
It is a broad-stroked, meaningless term.
 
Perotista said:
Say what you will, but most of the tea party members are now out of congress, retired. Here’s what happened to a lot of them.



Rob Bishop, Utah (retired in 2020)

Phil Roe, Tennessee (retired in 2020)

Kenny Marchant, Texas (retired in 2020)

Ted Yoho, Florida (retired in 2020)

Steve King, Iowa (defeated in 2020 primary by Randy Feenstra)

Joe Barton, Texas (retired in 2018)

Diane Black, Tennessee (ran for Governor in 2018, lost in primary)

Ander Crenshaw, Florida (retired in 2016)

Stephen Fincher, Tennessee (retired in 2016)

Marlin Stutzman, Indiana[62] (retired in 2016)

Michele Bachmann, Minnesota (retired in 2014; ran for Republican nomination during 2012 presidential election)

Paul Broun, Georgia (ran for U.S. Senate in 2014, lost in primary)

Bill Cassidy, Louisiana (ran for U.S. Senate in 2014, won in runoff)

Howard Coble, North Carolina

Mike Coffman, Colorado

John Culberson, Texas

Blake Farenthold, Texas (resigned in 2018)

John Fleming, Louisiana (ran for U.S. Senate in 2016, lost in jungle primary)

Phil Gingrey, Georgia (ran for U.S. Senate in 2014, lost in primary)

Louie Gohmert, Texas (ran for Texas Attorney General in 2022, lost in primary)

Vicky Hartzler, Missouri (ran for U.S. Senate in 2022, lost in primary)

Tim Huelskamp, Kansas (lost 2016 Republican primary to Roger Marshall)

Lynn Jenkins, Kansas (retired in 2018)

David McKinley, West Virginia (Lost Renomination)

Gary Miller, California

Randy Neugebauer, Texas (retired in 2016)

Steve Pearce, New Mexico

Ted Poe, Texas (retired in 2018)

Steven Palazzo, (Lost Renomination in 2022)

Dennis A. Ross, Florida (retired)

Pete Sessions, Texas

Lamar S. Smith, Texas (retired in 2018)

Ed Royce, California (retired in 2018)

Tom Price, Georgia (nominated and confirmed in 2017 as Secretary of Health and Human Services)

Mick Mulvaney South Carolina (Director of Office of Management & Budget (OMB), confirmed February 16, 2017.)

Lynn Westmoreland, Georgia (retired in 2016)
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Unfortunately many of them, like Bachmann, are Rove/Koch Tea Party. Few of the originators were politicians. They were background folk, like me, who saw what was unfolding and wanted better. They weren’t running PACs. They were community organizers, activists. It was grass roots. Not BIG and not particularly well organized.

Rove and some others saw the value in the branding. Usurped it. It became something else and what was the original Tea Party died of crib death shortly after it was born.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
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But there is blame. Blame for the 2002 tax cut for the 2008 recession, blame on the Republicans for stalling the recovery, blame again for the 2017 tax cut to blame for 4T per year deficit on the credit card all the numbers unhealthy growth, all into rich people's pockets. Blame for Trump on Republicans no removal, no rejection. So far, ten to zero. Obama extended the tax cut they summarily used to defeat him in 2012. Joe, didn't get the tax cut repealed. Clinton didn't hand over to Al Gore. Republicans responsible for 1929, did we have to try them?
 
The Teabaggers didnt give a crap about spending, that was a silly excuse they used.

What they really hated was having a Strong Black President, President Barack Obama.

As soon as the President was no longer black.....*poof* no more Teabaggers. It is what it is.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
The Tea Party started as traditional Conservative ideology: smaller federal government, balanced budgets and not spending more than is coming in.
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Exactly. It's a sorry sign of the current political landscape that the notion that the government can't go on spending more than it takes in forever is somehow perceived as a radical far right idea.

ALiberalModerate said:
John Birch Society > Moral Majority > Religious Right > Tea Party > MAGA...

It's all the same crazy bunch, they just update the name.
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Exquisitor said:
But there is blame. Blame for the 2002 tax cut for the 2008 recession, blame on the Republicans for stalling the recovery, blame again for the 2017 tax cut to blame for 4T per year deficit on the credit card all the numbers unhealthy growth, all into rich people's pockets. Blame for Trump on Republicans no removal, no rejection. So far, ten to zero. Obama extended the tax cut they summarily used to defeat him in 2012. Joe, didn't get the tax cut repealed. Clinton didn't hand over to Al Gore. Republicans responsible for 1929, did we have to try them?
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I don't care what "side" a person is on... if they believe all of the problems were caused by the other side... you are the sheep you see in that drawing who are all fools to believe such an absurdly uninformed opinion.

Boggles the mind.
 
MAGA is a poor name for what the tea party became. Political extremism does not make America great. Some of them tried to overthrow democracy, and the nation still has a concussion from it.
 
Helix said:
MAGA is a poor name for what the tea party became. Political extremism does not make America great. Some of them tried to overthrow democracy, and the nation still has a concussion from it.
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"Political Extremism"... always the other guy. Never your guy.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
I don't care what "side" a person is on... if they believe all of the problems were caused by the other side... you are the sheep you see in that drawing who are all fools to believe such an absurdly uninformed opinion.

Boggles the mind.
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No, that's the way they debate, draw a comparison, make the other side no better than yourselves.

But there is a better side.

Just not as good as you would wish.
 
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